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Another supposedly private LGF thread as the insane Charles Johnson allies more with the anti-semites at the Dkos

Posted by avideditor on October 8, 2009

Look at the anti-semitic trash the DKOS posted just a bit ago. Not only is that piece way wrong. It is way anti Semitic IMHO. Now he is allying with the DKOS in calling Zombie a racist? WOW. The DKos is worse or as bad as Storm Front.  I stand with zombie. I think he/she does great work. I do not agree with every issue but it is just beyond absurd to call zombie a racist.

Nothing in your “secret” threads are private. I do not agree with any of the insanity of the “private” threads. But it is funny. I in no way endorse this trash.

1 Ojoe Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:24:29pm reply

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Towercam!

2 HoosierHoops Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:26:43pm reply

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Wow..Phil got a H/T..

Awesome!

Hi Lizards! Dodgers are on next…Great sports on this time of the year

3 sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:28:12pm reply

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It’s really Wednesday night?

Feels like Friday to me! Wonder why!

Oh ,, yeah ,,, I just worked the last 5 days (and 13 out of the last 14!)

4 Walter L. Newton Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:28:41pm reply

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re: #2 HoosierHoops

Wow..Phil got a H/T..

Awesome!

Hi Lizards! Dodgers are on next…Great sports on this time of the year

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Too much sports on at this time of year.

5 Taqyia2Me Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:34:39pm reply

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Towercam!

Above the clouds cool tonight there!

6 LudwigVanQuixote Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:35:31pm reply

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Into the event horizon!

7 arethusa Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:35:45pm reply

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Towercam!

Wow, it’s so cloudy it almost looks like the sky is the sea, and the clouds are foam

crashing on the mountains.

/I don’t get enough sleep, I guess.

8 Walter L. Newton Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:35:46pm reply

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No light comes out…

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9 Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:35:53pm reply

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Somebody mentioned all the gold advertisements running on wingnut blogs earlier this

morning…

Gold Digger! Beck Promotes Investment In Gold While Failing To Disclose His Conflict Of

Interest »

Step up and be fleeced, sheeple.

10 Kosh’s Shadow Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:36:47pm reply

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Not very crowded tonight. Only 22 lizards.

Maybe we need a better piano man

Youtube Video

11 LudwigVanQuixote Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:36:56pm reply

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re: #9 Killgore Trout

Somebody mentioned all the gold advertisements running on wingnut blogs

earlier this morning…

Gold Digger! Beck Promotes Investment In Gold While Failing To Disclose His

Conflict Of Interest »

Step up and be fleeced, sheeple.

RON PAUL SAYS GOLD STANDARD!

Really old fashioned capitalists bank on the richest resource of all… SUCKERS!

12 cenotaphium Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:37:26pm reply 3

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Closer to our home in the galaxy; New ring detected around Saturn, this one significantly

larger than the known ones and tilted in another angle. The Spitzer space telescope made

the discovery using IR.

13 arethusa Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:37:40pm reply

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How’s this for a gold ad: Buy gold and hide it under the mattress!

//

14 Bubblehead II Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:37:53pm reply

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Idaho Cam.

Take your pick.

15 bratwurst Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:38:29pm reply

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Good evening from steamy New Orleans, Lizardkind.

16 Reginald Perrin Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:38:47pm reply

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re: #9 Killgore Trout

Did you happen to read comment 82 on that thread?

17 TheMatrix31 Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:39:02pm reply

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Go Cardinals.

928

18 HoosierHoops Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:39:39pm reply

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Good evening from steamy New Orleans, Lizardkind.

Hello there! Saint’s are monsters this year!

How are you?

19 SteveC Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:39:44pm reply

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re: #9 Killgore Trout

Somebody mentioned all the gold advertisements running on wingnut blogs

earlier this morning…

Don’t you just love the G. Gordon Liddy ad in which he emphasizes the word “GOLD!”

*facepalm*

I wonder if he’s like that at home? “What you thinking about for breakfast, hon?”

“EGGS!”

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20 LudwigVanQuixote Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:40:18pm reply

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Hello there! Saint’s are monsters this year!

How are you?

Hey hoops!

21 cenotaphium Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:40:32pm reply

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re: #10 Kosh’s Shadow

How can you tell how many people are on?

Also, (very) vaguely related to the video: Black Hole Sun by Soundgarden.

Youtube Video

22 bratwurst Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:40:41pm reply

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re: #12 cenotaphium

I love this stuff, thanks!

23 _RememberTonyC Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:41:02pm reply

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re: #3 sattv4u2

It’s really Wednesday night?

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Feels like Friday to me! Wonder why!

Oh ,, yeah ,,, I just worked the last 5 days (and 13 out of the last 14!)

thanks for your service to humanity

24 LudwigVanQuixote Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:41:18pm reply

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re: #21 cenotaphium

Go to the bottom, tab for show users.

25 SteveC Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:41:45pm reply

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re: #18 HoosierHoops

Hello there! Saint’s are monsters this year!

How are you?

Damn it! Don’t give away the plot of the next Dan Brown book! I haven’t read this one yet!

26 HoosierHoops Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:41:56pm reply

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re: #20 LudwigVanQuixote

Hey hoops!

Hi Lud!

Hope today finds you well…

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Whooze got da booze?

28 bratwurst Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:42:23pm reply

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re: #18 HoosierHoops

Hello there! Saint’s are monsters this year!

How are you?

I am a transplant to the area pleasantly plotting my escape…but can’t help but admire

what the Saints have accomplished so far. Kinda bad timing for a bye week when you are

on this kind of roll.

29 bratwurst Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:42:57pm reply

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re: #25 SteveC

Damn it! Don’t give away the plot of the next Dan Brown book! I haven’t read

this one yet!

Well played, sir!

30 albusteve Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:43:23pm reply

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re: #14 Bubblehead II

Idaho Cam.

Take your pick.

kinda cool…ABQ needs a valley cam…lots of great vistas out here…but alas we are a poor

state with little to eat

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31 JEA62 Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:43:34pm reply

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Phils win game one!

Not a fan of wither in particular, but any opinions on who wins Sox-Angels? Both look

good, hard to predict. Think that series is gonna be a ripper.

32 arethusa Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:44:08pm reply

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re: #25 SteveC

Damn it! Don’t give away the plot of the next Dan Brown book! I haven’t read

this one yet!

You don’t need to read the new one. You can get your own personalized Dan Brown novel

here!

33 albusteve Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:44:21pm reply

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in under 50 comments…

34 Kosh’s Shadow Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:44:26pm reply

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re: #21 cenotaphium

How can you tell how many people are on?

Also, (very) vaguely related to the video: Black Hole Sun by Soundgarden.

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[Video]

Click on Show Users at the bottom under the comment box. It shows the users and tells

how many are logged in.

35 JEA62 Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:44:38pm reply

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re: #28 bratwurst

What genius decided to start the byes in week FOUR?

36 Kosh’s Shadow Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:44:46pm reply

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Up to 37 lizards now.

37 BignJames Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:46:04pm reply

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re: #35 JEA62

What genius decided to start the byes in week FOUR?

Panthers staff?

38 albusteve Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:46:12pm reply

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re: #35 JEA62

What genius decided to start the byes in week FOUR?

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I always thought that was bullhsit…take a league bye after 8 games and skip the week off

before the Super Bowl

39 _RememberTonyC Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:46:16pm reply

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re: #31 JEA62

Phils win game one!

Not a fan of wither in particular, but any opinions on who wins Sox-Angels?

Both look good, hard to predict. Think that series is gonna be a ripper.

Boston wins it in 4 games … Jon Lester and Josh Beckett are a great 1-2 punch.

40 SteveC Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:46:41pm reply

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re: #32 arethusa

You don’t need to read the new one. You can get your own personalized Dan

Brown novel here!

As Dan Brown Would Say It …

Peter Braxton, the ruggedly handsome, world renowned Harvard professor of

Useless Crapology is summoned to Europe to analyze the mysterious murder of

a famous scientist of some sort . While there, he discovers evidence of the

unimaginable – the definitive and substantial proof of the tooth fairy. He must

work with Elizabeth, the extremely beautiful and intelligent police detective, in

order to beat the clock and unlock the mystery.

Peter Braxton’s worst fears are confirmed when he discovers that a contract

killer has been murdering innocent victims, including a bunch of prostitutes. He

and Elizabeth must rush against the clock, and use their knowledge of obscure

art, ambiguous history, impossible computer science theory, and inaccurate

theology, as their investigation takes them through the mysterious streets of

Lisbon. They encounter further difficulties when their efforts are thwarted by

the head of NASA who has his own plan for solving the mystery and unlocking

the secrets of the tooth fairy.

Peter Braxton and Elizabeth put their fate into the hands of the director of the

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CIA who actually turns out to be the one who planned and orchestrated the

entire devious plot. As they expose the treacherous director of the CIA they

must also face the truth that the tooth fairy was just a fabrication, and does not

really exist. When the director of the CIA is finally exposed, he tries to escape,

but tragically dies engulfed in infernal flames, as Peter Braxton and Elizabeth

look on. With his last breath, the director of the CIA explains that his motives

were actually good, but got corrupted and twisted by evil ambition. Putting the

entire fiasco behind them, Peter Braxton and Elizabeth kiss in a very romantic

and awkward kind of way.

Roll Credits!

41 arethusa Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:46:48pm reply

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re: #36 Kosh’s Shadow

Up to 37 lizards now.

When it’s 39 we’ll have a Hitchcock film: “The 39 Lizards.” 😉

42 HoosierHoops Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:47:12pm reply

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re: #28 bratwurst

I am a transplant to the area pleasantly plotting my escape…but can’t help but

admire what the Saints have accomplished so far. Kinda bad timing for a bye

week when you are on this kind of roll.

I transfered here from California…These folks here just f’ing love Basketball…

So it has worked out well..Except I hate cold and I hate snow with all my heart. I’m not

lying.

Where is your home state?

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re: #37 BignJames

Panthers staff?

Well… we didn’t lose this week!

/Things have been so bad, Jake Delhomme stopped by the local BoJangles and his

Chicken and Biscuit were intercepted in the drive through.

44 HoosierHoops Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:48:46pm reply

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re: #31 JEA62

Phils win game one!

Not a fan of wither in particular, but any opinions on who wins Sox-Angels?

Both look good, hard to predict. Think that series is gonna be a ripper.

Yankees Vs. Dodgers will blow out the ratings.. Everybody wants to see it…

45 LudwigVanQuixote Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:49:51pm reply

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re: #36 Kosh’s Shadow

Up to 37 lizards now.

For some reason that made me want to shout:

“Madness? MADness… THIS IS SPARTA!”

[Link: 1.bp.blogspot.com…]

46 Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:50:06pm reply

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re: #16 Reginald Perrin

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Did you happen to read comment 82 on that thread?

No, but thanks for pointing that out. There were only 81 comments when I posted that

link. Stalkers are watching closely.

47 bratwurst Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:50:52pm reply

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re: #35 JEA62

What genius decided to start the byes in week FOUR?

Well the thought process is that you only do 4 teams at a time (thus only losing 2 games

from the weekly slate) and you have everyone in action the last 6 weeks of the season.

Seems like you could have a couple of 6 team bye weeks and not start them until late

October.

48 BignJames Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:51:09pm reply

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re: #43 SteveC

Well… we didn’t lose this week!

/Things have been so bad, Jake Delhomme stopped by the local BoJangles and

his Chicken and Biscuit were intercepted in the drive through.

That’s normal. It’s in their playbook.

49 _RememberTonyC Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:51:26pm reply

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re: #44 HoosierHoops

Yankees Vs. Dodgers will blow out the ratings.. Everybody wants to see it…

not me 🙂

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Sox vs Dodgers would be awesome … Manny back in Boston …

50 Charles Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:51:27pm reply

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Another weird convergence between the far left and the far right — Vlaams Belang shill

‘jeppo’ (banned from LGF years ago) is now posting comments at Loonwatch pulled from

the years old ‘LGF Quiz’.

They’re getting so desperate to smear me that they’re wrapping around.

51 TheMatrix31 Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:51:29pm reply

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re: #44 HoosierHoops

Fuck that. Not me.

I hope the Dodgers get swept, starting tonight.

52 Taqyia2Me Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:53:09pm reply

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re: #50 Charles

Another weird convergence between the far left and the far right — Vlaams

Belang shill ‘jeppo’ is now posting comments at Loonwatch pulled from the

years old ‘LGF Quiz’.

They’re getting so desperate to smear me that they’re wrapping around.

I much appreciate your steadfastness, Charles. The TRUTH matters.

53 SteveC Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:53:13pm reply

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re: #50 Charles

Another weird convergence between the far left and the far right — Vlaams

Belang shill ‘jeppo’ is now posting comments at Loonwatch pulled from the

years old ‘LGF Quiz’.

They’re getting so desperate to smear me that they’re wrapping around.

Is this the beginning of the Great Moronic Convergence of 2009-10?

54 Reginald Perrin Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:53:49pm reply

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re: #46 Killgore Trout

The stalkers spam threads at Think Progress every day, especially Rick Martinez. It’s a

great place to play whack-a-troll.

55 bratwurst Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:53:51pm reply

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How about an old school rematch with the Redbirds against the Yanks or Bosox? Maybe

then Phat Albert will finally get the accolades he deserves.

56 arethusa Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:53:58pm reply

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re: #44 HoosierHoops

Yankees Vs. Dodgers will blow out the ratings.. Everybody wants to see it…

Not me. I want to see Phillies-Twins. (Yes, I’m a dreamer.)

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57 OldScouter Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:54:06pm reply

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re: #50 Charles

Another weird convergence between the far left and the far right — Vlaams

Belang shill ‘jeppo’ is now posting comments at Loonwatch pulled from the

years old ‘LGF Quiz’.

They’re getting so desperate to smear me that they’re wrapping around.

Charles, I keep reminding myself what my Grandfather told me more than 50 years ago.

“Tommy, you can’t control what people say about you, but you can control if what they

say is true.”

58 Bagua Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:54:16pm reply

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re: #11 LudwigVanQuixote

RON PAUL SAYS GOLD STANDARD!

Really old fashioned capitalists bank on the richest resource of all… SUCKERS!

Surely you mean Stock Brokers?

59 iceweasel Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:54:21pm reply

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re: #40 SteveC

God that link is terrific:

Waspy McWasp, the ruggedly handsome, world renowned Harvard professor of

Russian Literature is summoned to Europe to analyze the mysterious murder of

a famous computer programmer. While there, he discovers evidence of the

unimaginable – the definitive and substantial proof of the Illuminati. He must

work with Isabella, the extremely beautiful and intelligent physicist, in order to

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beat the clock and unlock the mystery.

Waspy McWasp’s worst fears are confirmed when he discovers that a

masochistic albino monk has been murdering innocent victims, including a

bunch of cute penguins. He and Isabella must rush against the clock, and use

their knowledge of obscure art, ambiguous history, impossible computer

science theory, and inaccurate theology, as their investigation takes them

through the mysterious streets of Paris. They encounter further difficulties

when their efforts are thwarted by the head of NASA who has his own plan for

solving the mystery and unlocking the secrets of the Illuminati.

Waspy McWasp and Isabella put their fate into the hands of the intelligent

professor who actually turns out to be the one who planned and orchestrated

the entire devious plot. As they expose the treacherous intelligent professor

they must also face the truth that the Illuminati was just a fabrication, and does

not really exist. When the intelligent professor is finally exposed, he tries to

escape, but tragically dies engulfed in infernal flames, as Waspy McWasp and

Isabella look on. With his last breath, the intelligent professor explains that his

motives were actually good, but got corrupted and twisted by evil ambition.

Putting the entire fiasco behind them, Waspy McWasp and Isabella kiss in a very

romantic and awkward kind of way.

60 SteveC Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:55:25pm reply

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re: #59 iceweasel

God that link is terrific:

You are an excellent writer!

61 avanti Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:55:30pm reply

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re: #9 Killgore Trout

Somebody mentioned all the gold advertisements running on wingnut blogs

earlier this morning…

Gold Digger! Beck Promotes Investment In Gold While Failing To Disclose His

Conflict Of Interest »

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Step up and be fleeced, sheeple.

I wondered why Fox was pushing the story of the world leaving the dollar standard that

was denied by all involved.

62 _RememberTonyC Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:55:47pm reply

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re: #55 bratwurst

How about an old school rematch with the Redbirds against the Yanks or

Bosox? Maybe then Phat Albert will finally get the accolades he deserves.

actually, I think the Cardinals will win the NL … those two stud starting pitchers may be

the difference. As for Albert … he is in the hall of fame right now, even if he never plays

another game.

63 Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:56:58pm reply

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re: #61 avanti

I wondered why Fox was pushing the story of the world leaving the dollar

standard that was denied by all involved.

1) It’s bad for America

2) it’s good for Ron Paul

64 BignJames Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:57:02pm reply

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re: #62 _RememberTonyC

actually, I think the Cardinals will win the NL … those two stud starting

pitchers may be the difference. As for Albert … he is in the hall of fame right

now, even if he never plays another game.

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If he’s clean.

65 Walter L. Newton Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:57:03pm reply

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re: #61 avanti

I wondered why Fox was pushing the story of the world leaving the dollar

standard that was denied by all involved.

Couldn’t be because the story has some legs?

66 Bubblehead II Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:57:26pm reply

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re: #30 albusteve

re: #30 albusteve

Not to take from Ojoe, but I think more Lizards should post links to web cams in their

particular area that highlight where they live. There are areas that have just as much

natural beauty as he links to.

67 Dante41 Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:57:54pm reply

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re: #62 _RememberTonyC

actually, I think the Cardinals will win the NL … those two stud starting

pitchers may be the difference. As for Albert … he is in the hall of fame right

now, even if he never plays another game.

I so hope that the Yankees or Red Sox don’t get to the WS. I really don’t want to root for

the Cards.

/bitter Astros fan

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re: #64 BignJames

If he’s clean.

i believe he is clean … but you never know

69 Charles Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:58:19pm reply

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re: #65 Walter L. Newton

Couldn’t be because the story has some legs?

No.

70 Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:58:40pm reply

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re: #66 Bubblehead II

Coos Bay

I don’t live there yet but maybe soon. I’m working on it.

71 bratwurst Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:59:05pm reply

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re: #62 _RememberTonyC

actually, I think the Cardinals will win the NL … those two stud starting

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pitchers may be the difference. As for Albert … he is in the hall of fame right

now, even if he never plays another game.

I totally agree. But because he plays in St. Louis and not New York, Boston or LA, he is

not the star he deserves to be.

72 LudwigVanQuixote Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:59:14pm reply

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So, just because I find it amusing and dorky, for your hopefully amusing pleasure…

[Link: fc09.deviantart.com…]

73 BignJames Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:59:17pm reply

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re: #68 _RememberTonyC

i believe he is clean … but you never know

I hope so…I like the guy.

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No.

You’re right, I was trying to find some other sources in another tab, silence.

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re: #67 Dante41

I so hope that the Yankees or Red Sox don’t get to the WS. I really don’t want to

root for the Cards.

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/bitter Astros fan

sorry about the ‘stros …

76 OldScouter Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:59:57pm reply

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re: #66 Bubblehead II

I live in Iowa, and I enjoy it. That said, I don’t think our fellow Lizards want to see any

web cams of corn growing, or hog lots.

77 Floral Giraffe Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:59:59pm reply

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Good evening, Lizards!

78 HoosierHoops Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:00:53pm reply

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re: #51 TheMatrix31

LOL OK let’s clear this up..I meant TV want’s the Yankees vs. Dodgers..Big bucks..

You guys know.. I grew up in California and went to see the Giants at Candlestick as a

kid..My all time favorite team.. For the AL.. I have always loved Boston.. I lived and died

baseball from Boston since High School.. I lived all the heartbreaks…The lofty wins..And

2004 was the greatest Baseball Season of my life.. To watch my Sox become World

Champions…Few baseball fans get to experience a magical season in Baseball..2004 was

magic

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I live in Iowa, and I enjoy it. That said, I don’t think our fellow Lizards want to

see any web cams of corn growing, or hog lots.

Iowa farm girls?

80 _RememberTonyC Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:01:04pm reply

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re: #71 bratwurst

I totally agree. But because he plays in St. Louis and not New York, Boston or

LA, he is not the star he deserves to be.

St Louis is probably the best baseball town in America, and I’m a Red Sox fan. Everyone

knows Albert … don’t kid yourself.

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Definitely. Albert is a fucking legend.

82 HoosierHoops Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:01:45pm reply

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Good evening, Lizards!

Good evening..Hope you are well

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Iowa farm girls?

Caucuses…lots of ’em.

84 Rightwingconspirator Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:02:25pm reply

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[Link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk…%5D

At risk to my karma ’round here…

This is the sort of thing makes me doubt AGW. How could anyone read this and perceive

sensible logical reality? The proponents race with the deniers to the utter sea floor of

credibility… Apologies to sensible facts, science etc etc.

85 avanti Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:02:39pm reply

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re: #65 Walter L. Newton

Couldn’t be because the story has some legs?

Could be, but it’s been rumored before in the last year or two, and defies common sense.

i.e. China and other countries hold billions of dollars, and it’s devaluation would be a

disaster in the long run. Even the rumor suggests that it would take ten years or more to

make the change, so a bit early to be buying gold, even if it had any validity.

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Iowa farm girls?

Presidential candidates?

87 Floral Giraffe Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:02:57pm reply

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re: #78 HoosierHoops

So, when is your trip possible?

Passport current?

Email the guys already there to ask what they want you to bring from the US?

88 Bagua Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:03:08pm reply

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re: #61 avanti

I wondered why Fox was pushing the story of the world leaving the dollar

standard that was denied by all involved.

The “world” does not have a dollar standard.

89 _RememberTonyC Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:03:15pm reply

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re: #51 TheMatrix31

LOL OK let’s clear this up..I meant TV want’s the Yankees vs. Dodgers..Big

bucks..

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You guys know.. I grew up in California and went to see the Giants at

Candlestick as a kid..My all time favorite team.. For the AL.. I have always loved

Boston.. I lived and died baseball from Boston since High School.. I lived all the

heartbreaks…The lofty wins..And 2004 was the greatest Baseball Season of my

life.. To watch my Sox become World Champions…Few baseball fans get to

experience a magical season in Baseball..2004 was magic

I cried in 2004 …went to my first Sox game in 1965 … and you know how much Tony

Conigliaro means to me. FOX prefers the Yanks in the World Series, but Boston is almost

as good for ratings. The ultimate dream WS would be Red Sox vs Cubs!

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Remember the innocent Josephine, who posted early this morning? The one who asked

about where all her friends(who happened to have been banned) had gone? The one who

claimed to be genuinely ignorant about the interwebs and where everyone was and what

had been going on here?

The one that started stirring shit oh so accidentally and innocently – not trolling at all,

no! Well guess what – she was posting on 2.0 within minutes of being banned here,

bursting with pride over having had so many comments deleted, yet insanely, still

whining about being called out by iceweasel as a troll, even after having just revealed

herself as exactly that.

Something to keep in mind for next time someone appears after a long absence with the

“wherefore art realwest, iron fist and the fantastic ploome hineni?” routine.

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re: #80 _RememberTonyC

St Louis is probably the best baseball town in America, and I’m a Red Sox fan.

Everyone knows Albert … don’t kid yourself.

You are probably right. As a native of the midwest, I have a natural inferiority complex.

This is fed by guys like Peter Gammons who suggest Zack Grienke doesn’t deserve the Cy

Young because “he hasn’t done it against the Yankees and Red Sox”.

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re: #74 Walter L. Newton

You’re right, I was trying to find some other sources in another tab, silence.

Yep, one reporters opinion, in one paper, and Fox goes nuts.

93 Bagua Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:04:26pm reply

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Purple Haze!

94 LudwigVanQuixote Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:05:04pm reply

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re: #59 iceweasel

re: #40 SteveC

Ohhh, that book was such a disappointment.

I was so let down when I found out the we didn’t have a super secret CERN Scram Jet or

paragliding chamber.

And, just BTW, you don’t just funnel a little antimatter out of the beam pipe into an

unused lab…

Gahhh…

Why couldn’t he tell the true story of CERn. It is so much more cool…

The crazy experimentalist orgies… The sado masochistic theorists… the cyborg kill bots

used to dispose of displeasing graduate students… The time we accidently baked eastern

France with THz radiation and they surrendered, but it was an accident, so they stopped

surrendering… taking the saucers out to randomly probe drunk Swiss folks…

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There are good times at CERN. And for the record, the bagels are great!

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re: #85 avanti

Could be, but it’s been rumored before in the last year or two, and defies

common sense. i.e. China and other countries hold billions of dollars, and it’s

devaluation would be a disaster in the long run. Even the rumor suggests that it

would take ten years or more to make the change, so a bit early to be buying

gold, even if it had any validity.

Ok, as I posted above, I was doing some looking around for a similar story, and I can’t

find anything quite as “strong” as the Fox stuff.

96 TheMatrix31 Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:05:12pm reply

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Settle down, Chris Carpenter.

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re: #89 _RememberTonyC

Mets/Yanks

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re: #90 Jimmah

Didn’t you see that coming? I read the thread, long after it was dead & it appeared to be a

drawn out flounce.

99 Charles Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:05:47pm reply

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[Link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk…%5D

At risk to my karma ’round here…

This is the sort of thing makes me doubt AGW. How could anyone read this and

perceive sensible logical reality? The proponents race with the deniers to the

utter sea floor of credibility… Apologies to sensible facts, science etc etc.

An airline requests passengers to go to the bathroom before boarding, and that makes

you doubt global warming?

You’re kidding, right?

100 Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:05:50pm reply

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re: #85 avanti

I can almost guarantee if you were to look at Beck’s portfolio it would be as well balanced

as Micheal Moore’s. Maybe 1-2% gold to hedge against inflation but the rest is in

municipal bonds, blue chips, etc. These guys ain’t stupid.

101 Floral Giraffe Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:06:59pm reply

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And they can afford to pay good financial advisors!

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re: #91 bratwurst

You are probably right. As a native of the midwest, I have a natural inferiority

complex. This is fed by guys like Peter Gammons who suggest Zack Grienke

doesn’t deserve the Cy Young because “he hasn’t done it against the Yankees

and Red Sox”.

I believe Greinke will win the Cy Young Award … His ERA was Bob Gibson like (midwest

reference for you). If he doesn’t win, he’ll finish no worse than second.

103 Charles Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:07:33pm reply

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re: #90 Jimmah

Remember the innocent Josephine, who posted early this morning? The one

who asked about where all her friends(who happened to have been banned) had

gone? The one who claimed to be genuinely ignorant about the interwebs and

where everyone was and what had been going on here?

The one that started stirring shit oh so accidentally and innocently – not

trolling at all, no! Well guess what – she was posting on 2.0 within minutes of

being banned here, bursting with pride over having had so many comments

deleted, yet insanely, still whining about being called out by iceweasel as a

troll, even after having just revealed herself as exactly that.

Something to keep in mind for next time someone appears after a long absence

with the “wherefore art realwest, iron fist and the fantastic ploome hineni?”

routine.

It was obviously staged. And I knew it as soon as I saw the first comment report.

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re: #100 Killgore Trout

The more I see/hear of Beck (always in high dudgeon) the more I think: Jerry Springer of

crap talk.

105 HoosierHoops Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:07:36pm reply

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re: #87 Floral Giraffe

So, when is your trip possible?

Passport current?

Email the guys already there to ask what they want you to bring from the US?

I have a meeting at 4pm est to find out. yes I have a current passport…

I have never been to Asia.. I am just fricking Jacked…

How are you today?

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Today is the anniversary of our involvement in Afghanistan. Gave a shout out to my

youngest son, over there in the Air Force, and my nephew, who just got back. Navy niece

has just arrived for a tour at Gitmo. Thank heaven for sports, MLB and NFL, to keep my

mind from wandering too much.

107 _RememberTonyC Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:08:24pm reply

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re: #97 BignJames

Mets/Yanks

~wince~

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re: #99 Charles

Yes I’m kidding. The sheer silliness of that request makes me laugh. Hey serve less tea! Of

all the sensible things we can do, well that must be waaay down the list. Honestly the

more silliness that attaches to AGW the more doubt arises. Instead of flying call the

meeting in!

109 Bagua Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:08:56pm reply

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re: #100 Killgore Trout

I can almost guarantee if you were to look at Beck’s portfolio it would be as

well balanced as Micheal Moore’s. Maybe 1-2% gold to hedge against inflation

but the rest is in municipal bonds, blue chips, etc. These guys ain’t stupid.

Or are they? That much vaunted strategy returned just of 1% for the last ten years.

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The “world” does not have a dollar standard.

OK, “International dollar standard”

link.

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re: #102 _RememberTonyC

I believe Greinke will win the Cy Young Award … His ERA was Bob Gibson like

(midwest reference for you). If he doesn’t win, he’ll finish no worse than

second.

Hope you are right. We Royals fans are desperate for anything to get excited about. After

enjoying seeing my team in the post season 7 times in 10 years as a young man, I am still

waiting for this experience again 24 years later.

112 SteveC Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:09:35pm reply

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re: #94 LudwigVanQuixote

And, just BTW, you don’t just funnel a little antimatter out of the beam pipe

into an unused lab…

I was surprised that Brown screwed that one up. Any idiot who has ever seen Star Trek

knows the Matter/Antimatter Ratio is always 1:1, no exceptions!

Exceptions go BOOM!

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re: #106 OldScouter

Today is the anniversary of our involvement in Afghanistan. Gave a shout out to

my youngest son, over there in the Air Force, and my nephew, who just got

back. Navy niece has just arrived for a tour at Gitmo. Thank heaven for sports,

MLB and NFL, to keep my mind from wandering too much.

Bless you and your family!

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re: #107 _RememberTonyC

~wince~

Heh…can’t you just hear the hype?

115 LudwigVanQuixote Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:10:41pm reply

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I was surprised that Brown screwed that one up. Any idiot who has ever seen

Star Trek knows the Matter/Antimatter Ratio is always 1:1, no exceptions!

Exceptions go BOOM!

lol!

116 AtadOFF Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:11:02pm reply

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That video was awesome Charles. Thanks!

117 The Sanity Inspector Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:11:12pm reply

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re: #2 HoosierHoops

Wow..Phil got a H/T..

Awesome!

Lucky stiff. I got one hat tip years ago, but unfortunately it had to be anonymous, on my

request, because of certain real life privacy issues.

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re: #105 HoosierHoops

Very fine, cooling off, just enough!

Email the guys already overseas & ask what they want form the US!

The best friends arrive with desired presents!

Have you closed up the pool yet?

119 Jimmah Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:12:03pm reply

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re: #103 Charles

It was obviously staged. And I knew it as soon as I saw the first comment

report.

Yes, it was totally obvious. Just amazed that some folks – apparently – seem to be so

clueless at sussing these ones.

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re: #90 Jimmah

Remember the innocent Josephine, who posted early this morning? The one

who asked about where all her friends(who happened to have been banned) had

gone? The one who claimed to be genuinely ignorant about the interwebs and

where everyone was and what had been going on here?

The one that started stirring shit oh so accidentally and innocently – not

trolling at all, no! Well guess what – she was posting on 2.0 within minutes of

being banned here, bursting with pride over having had so many comments

deleted, yet insanely, still whining about being called out by iceweasel as a

troll, even after having just revealed herself as exactly that.

Something to keep in mind for next time someone appears after a long absence

with the “wherefore art realwest, iron fist and the fantastic ploome hineni?”

routine.

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El. Oh. El.

And the geniuses over there are totally willing to buy into the story that the oh so

innocent Josephine was cruelly, unfairly banned, and the evil iceweasel called her a liar for

no reason at all…conveniently overlooking that in her initial trollish comment fair

josephine claimed to have no idea! none! what had happened to her good pals, because

she just hadn’t been to LGF in so long—but had been paying enough attention to the

threads to know that Mandy’s son was sick last week.

Yes, utterly believable Jim-ski. 🙂

We can say a lot of things about the people at the Douche-blog, but never that they’re

smart, that’s for sure.

121 Gavriel Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:12:19pm reply

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re: #117 The Sanity Inspector

Lucky stiff. I got one hat tip years ago, but unfortunately it had to be

anonymous, on my request, because of certain real life privacy issues.

I happen to be wearing a hat right now.

Sir, I tip it to you!

122 _RememberTonyC Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:12:28pm reply

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Hope you are right. We Royals fans are desperate for anything to get excited

about. After enjoying seeing my team in the post season 7 times in 10 years as

a young man, I am still waiting for this experience again 24 years later.

Kauffman Stadium looks great after the refurbishing. I remember those great KC teams.

Brett, McRae, Saberhagen, Quisenberry, White, Otis. Those were great years!

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Heh…can’t you just hear the hype?

Only in the 212 and 718 🙂

124 SteveC Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:14:17pm reply

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Pizza- Cam!

You guys closed already?

125 Floral Giraffe Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:14:28pm reply

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You’re not THE evil iceweasel?

Shhh…

Can’t you hear the little heads exploding?

How you doing?

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re: #110 avanti

OK, “International dollar standard”

link.

Nor is there an “international dollar standard,” the US$ is the most popular Reserve

Currency and ME Crude prices are largely priced based upon US$ pricing.

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127 LudwigVanQuixote Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:15:13pm reply

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re: #120 iceweasel

Well what do you expect?

128 The Sanity Inspector Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:15:23pm reply

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Anybody heard how Irish Rose is doing tonight?

129 bratwurst Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:15:25pm reply

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Kauffman Stadium looks great after the refurbishing. I remember those great

KC teams. Brett, McRae, Saberhagen, Quisenberry, White, Otis. Those were

great years!

I was blown away by the renovations. They actually made one of the best stadiums even

better. Strangely, “The K” is now the 5th oldest stadium in MLB!

130 _RememberTonyC Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:15:35pm reply

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gonna say goodnight Lizards … early meeting tomorrow.

play nice

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131 _RememberTonyC Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:16:24pm reply

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re: #129 bratwurst

I was blown away by the renovations. They actually made one of the best

stadiums even better. Strangely, “The K” is now the 5th oldest stadium in MLB!

that’s amazing … Dodger Stadium is the third oldest!

132 bratwurst Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:16:37pm reply

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Have a good one. I will be puling for the BoSox in your honor, sir.

133 Spare O’Lake Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:16:53pm reply

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Good Evening LGF

134 _RememberTonyC Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:17:03pm reply

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Have a good one. I will be puling for the BoSox in your honor, sir.

Thanks 🙂

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re: #126 Bagua

Ahem, Oil, Gold, Silver, Platinum, wheat, etc etc. The dollar is or arguably was THE

standard to use. Print too many and the value falls. Zero interest means well zero interst

in investing in it. In a nutshell.

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A radio interview with Tesla showcases a great acoustic cover of The James Gang’s “Walk

Away”. You can FF to about 1:12, for the song itself.

Youtube Video

137 iceweasel Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:18:13pm reply

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You’re not THE evil iceweasel?

Shhh…

Can’t you hear the little heads exploding?

How you doing?

Hey honey!

I’m good! And you?

I am the evil iceweasel, who is also rumoured to be Jimmah, or Medaura, or pretty much

whatever little fantasy is making their wingnut heads pop like popcorn kernels exploding

in the microwave today.

/We are all Charles now.

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re: #66 Bubblehead II

Feel free to link up to cams, it doesn’t bother me at all, there is plenty of natural beauty

out there.

& I don’t live near the towercam anymore, though I grew up in sight of it. (Down on the

flats near Pasadena.)

BBL

139 The Sanity Inspector Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:18:42pm reply

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And here’s their electric version:

Youtube Video

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re: #76 OldScouter

I live in Iowa, and I enjoy it. That said, I don’t think our fellow Lizards want to

see any web cams of corn growing, or hog lots.

Why not? It will give those who both oppose/agree with apgw an actual on the ground

real time view of what is happening. I don’t see anything wrong with that. Do you

Charles?

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re: #108 Rightwingconspirator

Yes I’m kidding. The sheer silliness of that request makes me laugh. Hey serve

less tea! Of all the sensible things we can do, well that must be waaay down the

list. Honestly the more silliness that attaches to AGW the more doubt arises.

Instead of flying call the meeting in!

What’s “silly” about this?

Based on an average human bladder capacity of 15oz, if 150 passengers

relieved themselves on board an aircraft, this would amount to 63.7kg of

waste.

Did you think that waste just vanishes into thin air?

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gonna say goodnight Lizards … early meeting tomorrow.

play nice

‘Night.

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Hey honey!

I’m good! And you?

I am the evil iceweasel, who is also rumoured to be Jimmah, or Medaura, or

pretty much whatever little fantasy is making their wingnut heads pop like

popcorn kernels exploding in the microwave today.

/We are all Charles now.

Actually they think you are five college girls…

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Just wanted to say that for all intents and purposes Zomblog/Zombietime has now

become another stalker hangout. I went there yesterday under another nick I occasionally

use and took Zombie to task for what I consider sheits execrable new role as an

anonymous Inquisitor General, trying to blackmail Kevin Jennings into apologizing for a

statement made in 1997 “or else”. Zombie: “I’d like to help you save your reputation.”

It’s the most transparent lie I’ve ever seen from himerit. The entire article is a hit job on

Jennings.

I have no idea whether Jennings deserves to lose his job over having once praised

someone else who turns out to have had connections to NAMBLA. What I find repulsive is

Zombie’s concern-trolling with the obvious intent to wreck someone else’s career while

hiding comfortably behind anynomity hiseritself. That strikes me as a Stasi technique.

So I called himerit out.

My nick was soon googled and up came my “real identity”, Cato – after some initial

confusion over whether I might be Kejda or her “scumbag husband”. So I logged on as

myself (had to use a proxy server because by this time I was banned) and told Zombie

straight up what I think of this new anonymous Denunziantentum. I mentioned that when

Kejda takes on R.S. McCain, she has the stones to do it in full public view, with her

reputation on the line. Same can be said for Charles. If Spencer or McCain want to sue

you guys, they know how to do it. Zombie lives in a crypt somewhere and hurls invective.

What a hero.

There is one comment over there wishing that someone might come and kill my dog.

Others call Charles ghey, and none of it has been even mildly rebuked by the site owner.

Zombie seems completely comfortable with the set of new friends who showed up after

sheit got the stick here.

I’m ghey too, by the way, and not just ghey, but a closet-job. Throbert McGee says so.

Apparently it’s common knowledge in stalkerland ever since Haakondahl said something

like that about me here and I teased him about it for a few days.

I will not be back to Zombieland. There is no point in arguing with deluded haters and

anonymous cowards.

145 LudwigVanQuixote Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:20:40pm reply

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Did you think that waste just vanishes into thin air?

The issue is they don’t want to burn the extra fuel of flying those 63 kg.

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re: #89 _RememberTonyC

I cried in 2004 …went to my first Sox game in 1965 … and you know how

much Tony Conigliaro means to me. FOX prefers the Yanks in the World Series,

but Boston is almost as good for ratings. The ultimate dream WS would be Red

Sox vs Cubs!

A few years ago, I would have said that is a sign of the Apocalypse, but then the Sox won.

147 Bagua Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:21:15pm reply

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re: #135 Rightwingconspirator

Ahem, Oil, Gold, Silver, Platinum, wheat, etc etc. The dollar is or arguably was

THE standard to use. Print too many and the value falls. Zero interest means

well zero interst in investing in it. In a nutshell.

No question such commodities are widely traded in US Dollars, and the US Dollar is the

most popular Reserve Currency and peg for exchange purposes, however, as an official

Standard this collapsed with Bretton Woods in ’73 and today is more of an unofficial

proxy for an international standard.

148 Floral Giraffe Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:21:18pm reply

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That was a VERY funny exchange!

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149 BignJames Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:21:29pm reply

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Did you think that waste just vanishes into thin air?

Sometimes it becomes “blue ice”. =)

150 Charles Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:21:35pm reply

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re: #9 Killgore Trout

Somebody mentioned all the gold advertisements running on wingnut blogs

earlier this morning…

Gold Digger! Beck Promotes Investment In Gold While Failing To Disclose His

Conflict Of Interest »

Step up and be fleeced, sheeple.

I’ve been noticing the connection of gold pimps to extremist causes for years. There’s

something very weird going on behind the scenes with this.

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this would amount to 63.7kg of waste…

That would take about 2,242 cu ft of helium to lift, in an airship.

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Cockroach Cam!

Hissing cockroaches, at that! Though no one has a microphone nearby!

153 LudwigVanQuixote Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:22:45pm reply

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I still love that they consider gay to be an insult.

154 Floral Giraffe Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:22:52pm reply

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I do think you’ve coined a new expression, as well…

“himerit”

LOL!

155 The Sanity Inspector Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:23:04pm reply

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Did you think that waste just vanishes into thin air?

No.

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The issue is they don’t want to burn the extra fuel of flying those 63 kg.

I know. But some people seem to find it difficult to make that connection.

157 LudwigVanQuixote Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:24:07pm reply

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I’ve been noticing the connection of gold pimps to extremist causes for years.

There’s something very weird going on behind the scenes with this.

NOt so weird. in times when people are scared the line about gold having more value gets

pimped. It’s just opportunistic advertising.

158 erraticsphinx Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:24:12pm reply

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Gold has been all over Drudge for the last few weeks, as well as WND. It’s quite

interesting.

159 Floral Giraffe Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:24:22pm reply

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Gold “bugs” have long had a wierod connotation in the investment markets.

Ron Paul is a good example.

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160 Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:24:42pm reply

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I’ve been noticing the connection of gold pimps to extremist causes for years.

There’s something very weird going on behind the scenes with this.

Let’s not dismiss the post apocalyptic seed banks these freaks are always advertising. If

they invade the gardening world I’m gonna be pissed.

161 Spare O’Lake Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:24:56pm reply

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The issue is they don’t want to burn the extra fuel of flying those 63 kg.

How much extra fuel would it burn?

162 LudwigVanQuixote Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:24:59pm reply

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I know. But some people seem to find it difficult to make that connection.

I know you know, but unless you chop it all bite sized like those people won’t usually get

it.

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re: #150 Charles

I’ve been noticing the connection of gold pimps to extremist causes for years.

There’s something very weird going on behind the scenes with this.

Whats the secret? Its the pillar of Bircher financial planning, always buy gold. Ask Don

McAlvany.

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Quick call to any physics geeks. Can waste be the real source of dark matter?

165 LudwigVanQuixote Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:25:31pm reply

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How much extra fuel would it burn?

I honestly have no clue.

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re: #144 Cato the Elder

I think himerit finally has the echo chamber shimerit desired. I think that’s what freaked

himerit out a couple of months ago. People started to question the blogs and the blanket

generalizations all under the banner of “citizen jounralism.” That also affected some of

the people here. It was as if though himerit thought every word that was said deserved an

up-ding.

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Quick call to any physics geeks. Can waste be the real source of dark matter?

Nope.

168 Bagua Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:25:51pm reply

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I’ve been noticing the connection of gold pimps to extremist causes for years.

There’s something very weird going on behind the scenes with this.

Likewise, I have noted on other forums that the nutters who witter on about such things

as the Bilderbergers and other wacko conspiracies are always on about the importance of

gold and the websites they link to feature Gold prominently. Just the mention of “Gold’ or

“Fiat Money” is usually a red flag that you are conversing with a loon.

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re: #145 LudwigVanQuixote

The issue is they don’t want to burn the extra fuel of flying those 63 kg.

Actually, if there’s a leak, it can freeze on the outside of the plane until it gets too heavy

and falls off. So anyone in a flight path could be hit by an icy B.M. (snort)

I hope you can’t get banned for godawful puns..

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re: #155 The Sanity Inspector

Space Peanut

Youtube Video

171 LudwigVanQuixote Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:26:56pm reply

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I honestly have no clue.

Wait for that one to get cherry picked and show up elsewhere…

172 Kosh’s Shadow Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:27:03pm reply

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Quick call to any physics geeks. Can waste be the real source of dark matter?

No, it is all the socks that were lost in washers and dryers.

/Do I need to?

173 Racer X Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:27:29pm reply

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Quick call to any physics geeks. Can waste be the real source of dark matter?

Depends.

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Actually, if there’s a leak, it can freeze on the outside of the plane until it gets

too heavy and falls off. So anyone in a flight path could be hit by an icy B.M.

(snort)

I hope you can’t get banned for godawful puns..

That has happened. Blue ice, it is called.

175 Bagua Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:28:02pm reply

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Wait for that one to get cherry picked and show up elsewhere…

Already favourited! 🙂

176 Jimmah Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:28:13pm reply

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re: #120 iceweasel

El. Oh. El.

And the geniuses over there are totally willing to buy into the story that the oh

so innocent Josephine was cruelly, unfairly banned, and the evil iceweasel called

her a liar for no reason at all…conveniently overlooking that in her initial

trollish comment fair josephine claimed to have no idea! none! what had

happened to her good pals, because she just hadn’t been to LGF in so

long—but had been paying enough attention to the threads to know that

Mandy’s son was sick last week.

Yes, utterly believable Jim-ski. 🙂

We can say a lot of things about the people at the Douche-blog, but never that

they’re smart, that’s for sure.

And the reference to a thread from over a year ago that just happens to be of particular

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morbid interest to the most grieviously and chronically butthurt of the deucers – not a

giveaway at all!

The people on 2.0 are getting dumber every day. It’s like a competition. Latest news from

there seems to be that I’m your sock puppet. And you are Charles’s. And we also are very

similar to Medaura and A Van Hilten, apparently. Srsly.

177 PT Barnum Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:28:18pm reply

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That has happened. Blue ice, it is called.

Do I not even get a groan? I feel slighted.

178 iceweasel Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:28:24pm reply

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I’ve been noticing the connection of gold pimps to extremist causes for years.

There’s something very weird going on behind the scenes with this.

I’ve wondered whether it’s linked to the weapons/ammo stockpiling and a general

anti-gubbermint worldview. I think they’re preparing (and dreaming) about some

apocalyptic doomsday scenario.

In their heads the government, the economy, and society as we know it will vanish, dollar

bills will be burned for fuel (because they’re just pieces of paper), and they’ll be a warlord

in some Mad Max scenario trading with others. They think gold will be the only safe

currency when the WingnutApocalypse arrives.

179 LudwigVanQuixote Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:28:29pm reply

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Already favourited! 🙂

I knew I could count on you!

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Let’s not dismiss the post apocalyptic seed banks these freaks are always

advertising. If they invade the gardening world I’m gonna be pissed.

That stuff REALLY creeps me out.

181 avanti Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:28:50pm reply

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re: #126 Bagua

Nor is there an “international dollar standard,” the US$ is the most popular

Reserve Currency and ME Crude prices are largely priced based upon US$

pricing.

re: #153 LudwigVanQuixote

I still love that they consider gay to be an insult.

Yes, but Charles is a gay meth user/meth lab owner. /// Besides, the preferred term over

there is fudge packer, not gay, very classy group.

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Do I not even get a groan? I feel slighted.

I groaned; I might have forgotten to give you a ding so I’ll go back and do it now.

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183 Surabaya Stew Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:29:34pm reply

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re: #129 bratwurst

I was blown away by the renovations. They actually made one of the best

stadiums even better. Strangely, “The K” is now the 5th oldest stadium in MLB!

re: #131 _RememberTonyC

that’s amazing … Dodger Stadium is the third oldest!

Yes, this is because they needlessly tore town the former 4th oldest and 3rd oldest

stadiums…

184 Dante41 Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:29:37pm reply

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re: #75 _RememberTonyC

sorry about the ‘stros …

Eh, we’re used to it. We know we had a good run that 2005 season. We aren’t in denial

about our current chances. Still doesn’t mean we can’t be pissed about them.

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Do I not even get a groan? I feel slighted.

*Groan*

They melt it down to make Aqua Velva.

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Yes, but Charles is a gay meth user/meth lab owner. /// Besides, the preferred

term over there is fudge packer, not gay, very classy group.

Speaking of meth labs, have you guys heard about the new “shaker” meth? (I think that’s

what it’s called) Apparently they’ve figured out how to make it without having to cook

anything which means a meth lab could be kept in a milk crate in your trunk. Scary stuff.

187 HoosierHoops Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:30:30pm reply

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re: #118 Floral Giraffe

Very fine, cooling off, just enough!

Email the guys already overseas & ask what they want form the US!

The best friends arrive with desired presents!

Have you closed up the pool yet?

Yup..pool is closed..And it’s almost winter in the soul…

Don’t forget those $8.95 postal boxes you can send oversea’s to Afghanistan or Iraq..

You can shove as much as you can in that box..It’s still 8.95…

We should start putting together a list to send Christmas and thanksgiving gifts to our

Military.. They are our Hero’s that stand on the wall for all of us…

For 8.95 you can show that you care for our Children in the Military..

I have been asked to continue the Lizard Prayer lists on LGF…

It is an Honor.. But words mean nothing without action..I plan on directing our prayers

and actions to concrete needs in the real world..

I’m starting a Christmas list for the Military in Afghanistan this starting Sunday…8.95

baby…I look forward you posting about your needs and health and family.. But I also

want to hear your prayers for your State, Your Nation, Our world…How about sending a

nice gift to a Marine sitting in the Desert in Iraq in December? I want names of Soldiers

serving.. How about prayers that really make a difference in someones life?

I look forward to meeting you here Sunday morning before the talk shows…

Kind Regards

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I’ve wondered whether it’s linked to the weapons/ammo stockpiling and a

general anti-gubbermint worldview. I think they’re preparing (and dreaming)

about some apocalyptic doomsday scenario.

In their heads the government, the economy, and society as we know it will

vanish, dollar bills will be burned for fuel (because they’re just pieces of paper),

and they’ll be a warlord in some Mad Max scenario trading with others. They

think gold will be the only safe currency when the WingnutApocalypse arrives.

Ironically, the best possible way to make just that future into a reality is to keep dumping

lots of carbon into the atmosphere and they deny that will happen…

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re: #178 iceweasel

I’ve wondered whether it’s linked to the weapons/ammo stockpiling and a

general anti-gubbermint worldview. I think they’re preparing (and dreaming)

about some apocalyptic doomsday scenario.

In their heads the government, the economy, and society as we know it will

vanish, dollar bills will be burned for fuel (because they’re just pieces of paper),

and they’ll be a warlord in some Mad Max scenario trading with others. They

think gold will be the only safe currency when the WingnutApocalypse arrives.

Gasoline will be worth more than gold. What can you do with gold in a post-apocalyptic

world? Didn’t anyone watch Discovery’s “reality” show The Colony?

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I think himerit finally has the echo chamber shimerit desired. I think that’s what

freaked himerit out a couple of months ago. People started to question the

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blogs and the blanket generalizations all under the banner of “citizen

jounralism.” That also affected some of the people here. It was as if though

himerit thought every word that was said deserved an up-ding.

I totally agree. Slavish upding! /

(no, seriously, I do totally agree)

Expect teh undead one to take an extremely hard lurch towards the fringiest of the right

now that heherit no longer is invested in keeping credibility among the sane (CJ).

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Yes, but Charles is a gay meth user/meth lab owner. /// Besides, the preferred

term over there is fudge packer, not gay, very classy group.

Never heard that one outside of the UK, apparently its crossed the pond, oh the wonders

of the internet never cease to amaze.

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What’s a private thread without Boobies?

Youtube Video

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re: #161 Spare O’Lake

How much extra fuel would it burn?

A loaded 747 burns about a gallon fuel a second. The 63kg would represent about 0.05%

decrease in weight. I’d say you’d save 2 gallons an hour or something close.

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dead stop while they look at the boobies

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I honestly think a lot of the far, far right types always rattling on about seed banks, gold,

bilderberg, the apocalypse and so on are actually acting on their authoritarian wet

dreams. When the end comes, they will be ready to rule over us alll!1!!!

They were prepared!!!

First on the chopping block: teh gheys.

We need breeders, people!

Hey, get your slimy paws off my canned tomaters!

/

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What’s a private thread without Boobies?

[Video]

I’m asking before I click…are those blue footed boobies?

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I knew I could count on you!

It’s in my my double sekrit emergency backup stash along with the “growing glacier”

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comment.

BTW: I left you a flower on the Brown/Green thread.

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What’s a private thread without Boobies?

Boobies are teh hawt. Although I prefer the mammalian variety myself.

Dunno what kind of weird fetish the other kind implies…

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dead stop while they look at the boobies

They are fascinating creatures. They usually travel in pairs.

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re: #188 LudwigVanQuixote

Ironically, the best possible way to make just that future into a reality is to keep

dumping lots of carbon into the atmosphere and they deny that will happen…

C ≠ CO2

Sorry, pet peeve. Causes me to wretch everytime I hear someone yammering about a

“Carbon footprint”.

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201 LudwigVanQuixote Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:33:46pm reply

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re: #197 Bagua

It’s in my my double sekrit emergency backup stash along with the “growing

glacier” comment.

BTW: I left you a flower on the Brown/Green thread.

I updinged it.

202 The Sanity Inspector Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:33:48pm reply

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Hard to believe he’s been gone more than ten years now:

Youtube Video

Him too, almost as long:

Youtube Video

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re: #192 Thanos

What’s a private thread without Boobies?

[Video]

OK. I see the birds. Where’s the topless beach?

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re: #200 ArchangelMichael

C ≠ CO2

Sorry, pet peeve. Causes me to wretch everytime I hear someone yammering

about a “Carbon footprint”.

Fair enough.

205 Thanos Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:34:43pm reply

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The correlation between gold pimps and apocalyptic sites, both left and right, is well

established. At the seamier ones also tend to run homeopathic cure ads along with other

pseudo science that milks suckers.

206 Gus 802 Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:34:54pm reply

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re: #190 iceweasel

I totally agree. Slavish upding! /

(no, seriously, I do totally agree)

Expect teh undead one to take an extremely hard lurch towards the fringiest of

the right now that heherit no longer is invested in keeping credibility among

the sane (CJ).

Slavish upding right back at ya’. /

Yeah, shehimor will probably start hitting the underground BDSM clubs in The Castro for

some deep dark exposé of that little known underworld.

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re: #176 Jimmah

And the reference to a thread from over a year ago that just happens to be of

particular morbid interest to the most grieviously and chronically butthurt of

the deucers – not a giveaway at all!

The people on 2.0 are getting dumber every day. It’s like a competition. Latest

news from there seems to be that I’m your sock puppet. And you are Charles’s.

And we also are very similar to Medaura and A Van Hilten, apparently. Srsly.

Oh yes. They’re always frothing and bubbling and steaming away like a broken espresso

machine over that particular thread involving you– because you wounded them so

greviously, precious — so the fact that she managed to work in a reference to it was

another dead giveaway.

Meanwhile, the Mensa members over there have decided I must be you on the basis of

knowing about that thread…in the same thread where they mention they’d just been

talking about it again themselves.

There is but one word for this level of thought, and it’s Duh.

208 OldScouter Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:35:34pm reply

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Personally, I am hoarding my gold. My wedding ring is now 44 years old. Six more years

and it qualifies as an antique.

209 Gus 802 Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:36:49pm reply

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re: #207 iceweasel

Oh yes. They’re always frothing and bubbling and steaming away like a broken

espresso machine over that particular thread involving you– because you

wounded them so greviously, precious — so the fact that she managed to work

in a reference to it was another dead giveaway.

Meanwhile, the Mensa members over there have decided I must be you on the

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basis of knowing about that thread…in the same thread where they mention

they’d just been talking about it again themselves.

There is but one word for this level of thought, and it’s Duh.

I thought it was duh-e.

/

210 bratwurst Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:36:57pm reply

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re: #183 Surabaya Stew

Yes, this is because they needlessly tore town the former 4th oldest and 3rd

oldest stadiums…

I can think of million$ of reasons.

211 ArchangelMichael Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:37:22pm reply

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re: #204 LudwigVanQuixote

Fair enough.

I know I shouldn’t whine about that but I hate when things are needlessly abbreviated and

it’s like nails on chalkboard to me when they are abbreviated to something that already

means something else.

212 Thanos Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:37:37pm reply

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You all should bookmark or subscribe to that Richard Dawkins net channel btw, I suspect

there will be a lot of really good science vids there over the next few years.

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re: #148 Floral Giraffe

That was a VERY funny exchange!

I disagree, that was a hilarious exchange, very funny doesn’t do it justice. It was also

amusing that they couldn’t clock the author, to call them morons is demeaning to

morons.

214 OldScouter Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:38:09pm reply

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re: #211 ArchangelMichael

I know I shouldn’t whine about that but I hate when things are needlessly

abbreviated and it’s like nails on chalkboard to me when they are abbreviated to

something that already means something else.

Why is abbreviated such a long word?

215 Surabaya Stew Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:38:11pm reply

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re: #208 OldScouter

Personally, I am hoarding my gold. My wedding ring is now 44 years old. Six

more years and it qualifies as an antique.

Awesome; not many marriages qualify as antiques these days!

216 Mich-again Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:38:13pm reply

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re: #168 Bagua

Just the mention of “Gold’ or “Fiat Money” is usually a red flag that you are

conversing with a loon.

Its done pretty well the last 5 years, I don’t know if you can call someone a loon because

they buy gold.

217 Surabaya Stew Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:39:08pm reply

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re: #210 bratwurst

I can think of million$ of reasons.

I’m $ad to agree with you…

218 John Neverbend Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:39:13pm reply

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re: #181 avanti

Yes, but Charles is a gay meth user/meth lab owner. /// Besides, the preferred

term over there is fudge packer, not gay, very classy group.

How ’80s English. Sounds like they read Viz.

219 PT Barnum Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:39:19pm reply

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re: #208 OldScouter

Personally, I am hoarding my gold. My wedding ring is now 44 years old. Six

more years and it qualifies as an antique.

re: #211 ArchangelMichael

I know I shouldn’t whine about that but I hate when things are needlessly

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abbreviated and it’s like nails on chalkboard to me when they are abbreviated to

something that already means something else.

You should join my group then, SOA (Stamp Out Acronyms). We are devoted to reducing

the high number of TLAs (Three Letter Acronyms) in use in Business and Government.

220 Mich-again Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:40:01pm reply

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re: #205 Thanos

The correlation between gold pimps and apocalyptic sites, both left and right,

is well established. At the seamier ones also tend to run homeopathic cure ads

along with other pseudo science that milks suckers.

And silver ion water purifiers. Gotta have one of those.

221 iceweasel Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:40:17pm reply

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re: #206 Gus 802

Slavish upding right back at ya’. /

Yeah, shehimor will probably start hitting the underground BDSM clubs in The

Castro for some deep dark exposé of that little known underworld.

Heh. LGFers who are on twitter should start a hashtag like the CNNFactCheck tag.

#ZombieFactCheck

“Breaking: ‘Baker’s Dozen’ not actually a dozen, often referred to by nonbakers”

#ZombieFactCheck

222 Rightwingconspirator Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:40:44pm reply

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re: #141 Charles

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Okay 63 kilos out of how many pounds? You assume a full bladder for all. How many

folks will pee 4 oz at the terminal, and flush (waste) far more water? I’m going to point

out that’s less weight by almost half than the paint on the plane.

[Link: http://www.boeing.com…%5D

The weight of your coat perhaps? Bring a lighter purse perhaps? I could be wrong here

but this sort of thing reeks of “reefer madness” for AGW. “Fly Light” sounds like a winner.

Pee before flying sounds… silly.

My point is some things add to the credibility and appeal of AGW and some things

detract. For me at least that request hurt the effort more than helped. Besides i like that

berr before I fly in the evening! LOL

223 PT Barnum Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:40:59pm reply

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The correlation between gold pimps and apocalyptic sites, both left and right,

is well established. At the seamier ones also tend to run homeopathic cure ads

along with other pseudo science that milks suckers.

I think the common theme is the triumph of belief over reason.

224 Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:41:10pm reply

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If you like South Park episodes about celebrities, you’ll like tonight’s season premiere.

225 ArchangelMichael Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:41:17pm reply

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re: #216 Mich-again

Its done pretty well the last 5 years, I don’t know if you can call someone a

loon because they buy gold.

Individuals investing in some gold as an inflation hedge is generally an ok non-kook idea.

Loading the boat with it expecting you will need it to buy food with some day, or

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advocating the whole country or world do so… is the kook red flag.

226 Bagua Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:41:42pm reply

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re: #216 Mich-again

Its done pretty well the last 5 years, I don’t know if you can call someone a

loon because they buy gold.

Far longer, I can recall at least 30+ years ago seeing “survivalist” type publications go on

and on about silver and gold coins, bars, and such as key barter items for the coming

collapse. It is more comercialised now with all the “Gold” companies but even then there

were adverts from coin traders.

227 LudwigVanQuixote Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:42:24pm reply

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Slavish upding right back at ya’. /

Yeah, shehimor will probably start hitting the underground BDSM clubs in The

Castro for some deep dark exposé of that little known underworld.

I would be deeply amused to see that.

I can just see it now:

DEAR next person I want to hatchet… After extensive searching, I have found that your

college roomate once handed a dollar to a homeless person who likes to felatiate these

people…

pictures of leather subbies getting butt trained…

Now why did you support the felatiating of leather wearing subbies who need to be butt

trained? Really… you have done some good things in your life that should not go to waste

because you have failed to recant your heretical connections to the leather wearing scene?

I am so very concerned.

Imagine how appalled I was to have to take pictures of this…

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pictures of the end result of the training, and a leather gimp licking up the mess on a

leash. The close up of the leather gimps’s ass shows an I hate W bumper sticker

I had to just keep looking and looking at this filth and you made me do it!

I am very concerned for you!

Repent.

228 BignJames Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:42:46pm reply

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re: #219 PT Barnum

You should join my group then, SOA (Stamp Out Acronyms). We are devoted to

reducing the high number of TLAs (Three Letter Acronyms) in use in Business

and Government.

Used to work w/a retired Naval Officer that used acronyms incessantly…one day I asked

him what the TIME was…he had to think about it.

229 Gus 802 Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:42:51pm reply

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re: #221 iceweasel

Heh. LGFers who are on twitter should start a hashtag like the CNNFactCheck

tag. #ZombieFactCheck

“Breaking: ‘Baker’s Dozen’ not actually a dozen, often referred to by nonbakers”

#ZombieFactCheck

Then someone could fact check the next t-shirt sighting. /

230 PT Barnum Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:43:07pm reply

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re: #226 Bagua

Do these companies offer to send you the gold or do you just own certificates. What

makes people think they will actually be able to get the actual gold if things get really

wacky?

231 OldScouter Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:43:42pm reply

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I was gonna buy some gold, but I sent the money to a barrister in Nigeria so he could get

my late uncle’s money out of the country, since I am his sole heir.

232 LudwigVanQuixote Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:44:06pm reply

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re: #222 Rightwingconspirator

Look, the fact that this add came out from some company really has nothing to do with

the science at all.

I would suspect that the airline cares much less about the environment than it does about

cutting costs of fuel.

If you care to talk science please do.

233 Ojoe Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:44:11pm reply

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re: #222 Rightwingconspirator

An emergency room RN said to me once, pee before you drive because you really don’t

want to have a full bladder if you are in a crash.

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re: #192 Thanos

What’s a private thread without Boobies?

Or tits?

Youtube Video

235 PT Barnum Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:45:18pm reply

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re: #228 BignJames

I worked for Electrolux (the appliance company) for a few years. The US CEO was in love

with acronyms and would sprinkle them through his company wide emails, often without

explaining what the hell they meant.

On top of that he liked to mix fonts and colors as well, so what came out looked less like

an email and more like a ransom note.

236 John Neverbend Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:45:18pm reply

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re: #212 Thanos

You all should bookmark or subscribe to that Richard Dawkins net channel btw,

I suspect there will be a lot of really good science vids there over the next few

years.

Is that available through [Link: http://www.richarddawkins.net?…%5D

237 Gus 802 Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:45:25pm reply

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re: #227 LudwigVanQuixote

I’ll give you three choices! The first one shall be:

If you don’t confess now I’ll show the world my extra double sekrit video I have of you in

a college dorm at 4 AM from 1982!

Surely you will see that I am being reasonable and that you’re better off confessing.

/

238 Ojoe Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:45:30pm reply

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re: #226 Bagua

‘Twas mercury dimes we were supposed to save.

239 ArchangelMichael Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:46:00pm reply

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re: #230 PT Barnum

Do these companies offer to send you the gold or do you just own certificates.

What makes people think they will actually be able to get the actual gold if

things get really wacky?

Most sell coins or bars that they ship. I think some keep it in a “exchange” so you can

trade it. I think that if you are going to do that it would be better to just buy and sell the

GLD or IAU ETFs though and skip the b.s.

240 SteveC Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:46:56pm reply

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re: #231 OldScouter

I was gonna buy some gold, but I sent the money to a barrister in Nigeria so he

could get my late uncle’s money out of the country, since I am his sole heir.

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You are wise! Continue this activity and you will go far!

241 Kosh’s Shadow Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:47:00pm reply

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re: #222 Rightwingconspirator

All I can say is I’d rather go on the ground in a bigger restroom than on the plane. It’s

safer, too; no turbulence.

242 The Sanity Inspector Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:47:30pm reply

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re: #208 OldScouter

Personally, I am hoarding my gold. My wedding ring is now 44 years old. Six

more years and it qualifies as an antique.

That means your marriage is that old too, right? Congratulations!

Didja hear about the old, old couple who had been married for 100 years, and went to a

lawyer to get a divorce? Apparently they had always hated each other, but wanted to hold

off divorcing until the children were dead.

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re: #234 The Sanity Inspector

Or tits?

I prefer cocks.

Youtube Video

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re: #176 Jimmah

And the reference to a thread from over a year ago that just happens to be of

particular morbid interest to the most grieviously and chronically butthurt of

the deucers – not a giveaway at all!

The people on 2.0 are getting dumber every day. It’s like a competition. Latest

news from there seems to be that I’m your sock puppet. And you are Charles’s.

And we also are very similar to Medaura and A Van Hilten, apparently. Srsly.

Why parrot what the stalkers say about you and iceweasel?

245 PT Barnum Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:48:05pm reply

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re: #241 Kosh’s Shadow

All I can say is I’d rather go on the ground in a bigger restroom than on the

plane. It’s safer, too; no turbulence.

Although you do have to look out for the giant pissing cockroaches…That’s hissing

cockroaches, Emily.

Oh, that’s different…never mind.

246 Mich-again Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:48:09pm reply

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re: #225 ArchangelMichael

True. I do know some people who occasionally paint that doomsday scenario as rationale

for buying the gold and I like to remind them that if the economy collapses and society

really breaks down that far, the gold won’t do them much good either. You can’t eat it

and as soon as you go to trade your gold for something you can eat, someone with a

bigger gun than yours will just take your gold.

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re: #237 Gus 802

I’ll give you three choices! The first one shall be:

If you don’t confess now I’ll show the world my extra double sekrit video I have

of you in a college dorm at 4 AM from 1982!

Surely you will see that I am being reasonable and that you’re better off

confessing.

/

Ohh that is so true…

And if you don’t confess I’ll also prove that your sister’s boyfriend’s cousin was that

leather gimp licking up the mess with an I hate W bumper sticker on his gaped bottom.

See… It runs in your family. You wouldn’t want that to come out now would you!

(2 weeks latter it turns out that the leather gimp is actually a televangelist from Omaha

and the story is quietly forgotten)

248 Kosh’s Shadow Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:48:32pm reply

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re: #235 PT Barnum

I worked for Electrolux (the appliance company) for a few years. The US CEO

was in love with acronyms and would sprinkle them through his company wide

emails, often without explaining what the hell they meant.

On top of that he liked to mix fonts and colors as well, so what came out

looked less like an email and more like a ransom note.

Ed of many colors was the CEO of Electrolux?

///

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re: #230 PT Barnum

Do these companies offer to send you the gold or do you just own certificates.

What makes people think they will actually be able to get the actual gold if

things get really wacky?

You can buy real gold to fondle, but it costs a bit more than the spot market. i.e., about

$1100 for a 1 ounce coin this week. Of course, they’ll pay less when you want to turn it

back to currency.

250 Bagua Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:48:53pm reply

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re: #230 PT Barnum

Do these companies offer to send you the gold or do you just own certificates.

What makes people think they will actually be able to get the actual gold if

things get really wacky?

Back in the day it was all about owning the actual silver and gold coins and having them

buried near the secret bomb shelter. The smaller the coin the better to facilitate the

anticipated bartering for food, fuel, ammo, and such.

This matured to include Krugerrands when they became all the rage, those are for the

hard core Mad Max types. The more sedate, like on SavageNation, will advertise the

certificates as they are less apocalyptic in their fantasies.

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re: #242 The Sanity Inspector

That means your marriage is that old too, right? Congratulations!

Didja hear about the old, old couple who had been married for 100 years, and

went to a lawyer to get a divorce? Apparently they had always hated each other,

but wanted to hold off divorcing until the children were dead.

Loved it. Can I use this, or do you have the copyright?

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252 PT Barnum Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:49:09pm reply

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re: #242 The Sanity Inspector

That means your marriage is that old too, right? Congratulations!

Didja hear about the old, old couple who had been married for 100 years, and

went to a lawyer to get a divorce? Apparently they had always hated each other,

but wanted to hold off divorcing until the children were dead.

I just celebrated my 10th and someone asked my wife if she had ever considered divorce.

She said “No..Murder a couple of times”

253 iceweasel Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:49:19pm reply

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re: #244 Spare O’Lake

Why parrot what the stalkers say about you and iceweasel?

Why are you offended by us mocking them?

254 SteveC Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:49:36pm reply

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re: #228 BignJames

Used to work w/a retired Naval Officer that used acronyms incessantly…one

day I asked him what the TIME was…he had to think about it.

“Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn’t we keep the

P.C. on the Q.T.? ‘Cause if it leaks to the V.C. he could end up M.I.A., and then

we’d all be put out in K.P.”

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Just looking at history and what’s happening now, I would suspect that gold will go down

and then plateau over the next 8 yrs. Things are uncertain now due to the bills stuck in

congress and the Iran situation. You get by those and the rollercoaster is likely to go

down.

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James Dobson speaking to the social con group “Council for National Policy:”

“We’re in more danger now than at any time since the Civil War.”

Youtube Video

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re: #236 John Neverbend

Is that available through [Link: http://www.richarddawkins.net?…%5D

Yes

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re: #229 Gus 802

Then someone could fact check the next t-shirt sighting. /

Breaking News: “I can’t believe it’s not butter” believed by many not to be butter.

#ZombieFactCheck

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re: #247 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohh that is so true…

And if you don’t confess I’ll also prove that your sister’s boyfriend’s cousin was

that leather gimp licking up the mess with an I hate W bumper sticker on his

gaped bottom.

See… It runs in your family. You wouldn’t want that to come out now would

you!

(2 weeks latter it turns out that the leather gimp is actually a televangelist from

Omaha and the story is quietly forgotten)

I had no idea he was a gimp! That was just some guy I met on bus ride out of Colorado

Springs.

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Ed of many colors was the CEO of Electrolux?

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Unfortunately yes. This guy was a real piece of work. Both his kids worked there too and

weren’t any more literate or intelligible than he was.

I lost all respect when one of them stated in an email that the company needed to

enlargen its customer base.

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re: #232 LudwigVanQuixote

I would suspect that the airline cares much less about the environment than it

does about cutting costs of fuel.

It’s probably a bit of both. Airlines were not the first sectors to be targeted in Europe, for

example, when the various constituent countries decided which sectors of industry were

going to be targeted for CO2 reductions, but that’s going to change. Another way to

reduce weight is to do what American Airlines did and not paint your fleet too much. I

remember reading in one of the inflight magazines that this save a few Kg, possibly the

same order of magnitude as would be saved by all passengers having an empty bladder.

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BH II Signing off. Rip me a new one in the morning if I deserve it.

The IR rule still applies.

Mike

263 Bagua Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:51:23pm reply

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‘Twas mercury dimes we were supposed to save.

Exactly, I recently found my collection from those days, the rest lay buried – where I

haven’t the foggiest as I was too young to consider the crucial treasure map part.

264 The Sanity Inspector Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:51:46pm reply

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re: #251 OldScouter

Loved it. Can I use this, or do you have the copyright?

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Be my guest.

265 LudwigVanQuixote Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:51:46pm reply

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re: #234 The Sanity Inspector

Really, with all these innuendos… I prefer beating around the bush…

Youtube Video

266 philosophus invidius Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:52:23pm reply

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i can’t believe its i can’t believe its not butter

Youtube Video

267 Mich-again Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:52:51pm reply

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re: #250 Bagua

I don’t see the logic at all in trading in dollars (because they are just pieces of paper) for

gold certificates (that are also just pieces of paper) that say you own some gold and

someone else is keeping it safe for you. Good luck with that. The point of buying gold is

actually having it.

268 LudwigVanQuixote Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:52:51pm reply

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re: #256 Charles

James Dobson speaking to the social con group “Council for National Policy:”

“We’re in more danger now than at any time since the Civil War.”

[Video]

Because treasonous assholes like this are busy spreading the meme of one.

269 Ojoe Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:53:05pm reply

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re: #256 Charles

Unless there was an edit, he went right from foreign policy to family.

270 Jimmah Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:53:05pm reply

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re: #244 Spare O’Lake

Why parrot what the stalkers say about you and iceweasel?

Mocking them. Got a problem with that?

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NASA’s Spitzer Space Telescope Discovers Largest Ring Around Saturn

NASA’s Spitzer Space Telescope has discovered an enormous ring around Saturn — by far

the largest of the giant planet’s many rings.

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Breaking News: “I can’t believe it’s not butter” believed by many not to be

butter. #ZombieFactCheck

RSMcCain @ZombieFactCheck, @Zombienoggin, LGF duz not believe in non-butter, got

new PAnderson calendar.

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273 SteveC Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:53:31pm reply

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i can’t believe its i can’t believe its not butter

Wut?

274 PT Barnum Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:54:04pm reply

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They’ve also found rings around Uranus

275 Gearhead Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:54:11pm reply

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re: #260 PT Barnum

Unfortunately yes. This guy was a real piece of work. Both his kids worked

there too and weren’t any more literate or intelligible than he was.

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I lost all respect when one of them stated in an email that the company needed

to enlargen its customer base.

He must be the guy that came up with “impactful”. I cringe every time I hear that.

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Breaking Report: Spanish Inquisition often expected; comfy chair not really comfy. Expose

to follow! #ZombieFactCheck

277 The Sanity Inspector Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:54:37pm reply

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re: #252 PT Barnum

I just celebrated my 10th and someone asked my wife if she had ever

considered divorce. She said “No..Murder a couple of times”

Congratulations to you both, then. I discovered early on that being a good husband was

like being mugged. The sooner you shut up and hand over your wallet, the easier things

will go.

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re: #256 Charles

James Dobson speaking to the social con group “Council for National Policy:”

“We’re in more danger now than at any time since the Civil War.”

[Video]

Funny, I was a bit more nervous off the coast of Cuba during the missile crisis, but then,

thermonuclear war makes me more uncomfortable than health care reform.

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279 LudwigVanQuixote Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:54:54pm reply

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Breaking Report: Spanish Inquisition often expected; comfy chair not really

comfy. Expose to follow! #ZombieFactCheck

Our three main weapons are…

280 PT Barnum Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:55:05pm reply

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Breaking Report: Spanish Inquisition often expected; comfy chair not really

comfy. Expose to follow! #ZombieFactCheck

LSHAWM! Laughed so hard almost wet myself.

281 Floral Giraffe Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:55:21pm reply

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OK, I just read a funny idea for a Haloween costume.

Be a “quarter pounder”.

Carry a quarter in one hand, and a hammer in the other.

Hit my funny bone!

282 SteveC Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:55:27pm reply

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They’ve also found rings around Uranus

How is the USS Enterprise like a roll of toilet paper?

Both of them circle Uranus looking for Klingons!

283 BignJames Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:55:29pm reply

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re: #268 LudwigVanQuixote

Because treasonous assholes like this are busy spreading the meme of

one.

I used to work w/a fellow of Polish descent…you’d quit laughing at Polish jokes…and

start believing them.

284 Ojoe Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:55:32pm reply

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“bathe their efforts in prayer”

285 Cato the Elder Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:55:32pm reply

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re: #176 Jimmah

The people on 2.0 are getting dumber every day. It’s like a competition. Latest

news from there seems to be that I’m your sock puppet. And you are Charles’s.

And we also are very similar to Medaura and A Van Hilten, apparently. Srsly.

In one of the recent gun-fetish posts (complete with the owner’s various favorite sex toys

posing fetchingly on a sofa), we find this sentence as part of his advice to noobs: “In your

house, you will face added factors, location of family will be of tantamount importance.”

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Yes, tantamount importance! We all know that paramount importance is really, really

important, so the tantamount variety – you just can’t get more important than that.

286 iceweasel Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:55:42pm reply

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re: #272 Gus 802

RSMcCain @ZombieFactCheck, @Zombienoggin, LGF duz not believe in

non-butter, got new PAnderson calendar.

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oh my god, that is great. Can Jimmah and I steal it? We will credit you!

287 Racer X Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:55:47pm reply

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Mocking them. Got a problem with that?

Yes.

Former LGFers hanging out at Douche are dead to me. Soon to be forgotten. Constantly

posting about them gives them what they desire most – relevance.

288 Gus 802 Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:56:04pm reply

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re: #256 Charles

James Dobson speaking to the social con group “Council for National Policy:”

“We’re in more danger now than at any time since the Civil War.”

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Hysterical hysteria.

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Any Lizards here who live in College Station, and went to the first Silver Taps this

September? I want to know how a friend died.

290 Liberal Classic Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:56:29pm reply

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re: #249 avanti

You can buy real gold to fondle, but it costs a bit more than the spot market.

i.e., about $1100 for a 1 ounce coin this week. Of course, they’ll pay less when

you want to turn it back to currency.

I’m not much of a gold bug, but I do think old coins are interesting. The oldest one I have

is an Athenian Owl from about 450 BCE, and some Roman denarii from the early imperial

period. These are silver, not gold, of course. I do have a few gold coin from the late

Roman empire and the Byzantines.

I find them interesting (to fondle) not so much because they’re precious metal, but for the

historical significance. It’s fun to hold them and imagine where they’ve been, and through

how many hands they’ve changed.

291 Spare O’Lake Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:56:36pm reply

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re: #253 iceweasel

Why are you offended by us mocking them?

I am not offended, I just think it is infantile and stoops to their level.

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re: #267 Mich-again

I don’t see the logic at all in trading in dollars (because they are just pieces of

paper) for gold certificates (that are also just pieces of paper) that say you own

some gold and someone else is keeping it safe for you. Good luck with that.

The point of buying gold is actually having it.

The people who trade in the certificates are not preparing for a Mad Max scenery, just a

routine event such as a big war or near collapse in which the price of gold would go up

but there would still be the ability to cash in the certificates. The largest amount of gold,

oil and other commodity speculation never involves the exchange of the physical, its all

paper.

293 Thanos Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:57:06pm reply

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re: #256 Charles

James Dobson speaking to the social con group “Council for National Policy:”

“We’re in more danger now than at any time since the Civil War.”

Dobson goes Rino hunting in the vid, then whines about the call for purging the hard

Socon religious right. He does so in the name of Reagan, but the Socons did not like

Reagan when he first ran, and fought against him as a “Hollywood liberal” Dobson is

everything that’s wrong with the modern Republican party. I’m down for the battle, and

will fight through 2010. I will know by then if it’s won or not.

294 PT Barnum Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:57:09pm reply

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Our three main weapons are…

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Our Three Main Weapons are

Total Immunity to Reason

re: #282 SteveC

How is the USS Enterprise like a roll of toilet paper?

Both of them circle Uranus looking for Klingons!

Sounds like a personal hygiene problem

295 Gus 802 Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:57:17pm reply

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oh my god, that is great. Can Jimmah and I steal it? We will credit you!

Go for it. Credit me as Gus 802, Ringleader.

//

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‘Trash Can’ Nuclear Reactors Could Power Human Outpost On Moon Or Mars

NASA has made a series of critical strides toward the development of new

nuclear reactors the size of a trash can that could power a human outpost on

the moon or Mars.

NASA = Money well spent.

297 SteveC Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:58:47pm reply

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Funny, I was a bit more nervous off the coast of Cuba during the missile crisis,

but then, thermonuclear war makes me more uncomfortable than health care

reform.

After I got my pacemaker, the tech says “Avoid MRI’s and metal detectors. And a nuclear

explosion will damage your pacer, too.”

OH-KAY. I figure if Nukes are going off, my pacemaker is the least of my worries!

298 Jimmah Wed, Oct 7, 2009 7:59:41pm reply

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Breaking News: “I can’t believe it’s not butter” believed by many not to be

butter. #ZombieFactCheck

“The English dish known as “Toad in the Hole” was today found not to contain toad as a

major ingredient”

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Didnt’ get a chance to finish..

Our Three Main Weapons are

Total Immunity to Reason

Fanatical Devotion to Fox News

Our Snugglies

300 LudwigVanQuixote Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:00:17pm reply

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CNN… Breaking… 2012

Herbert Smith, the man exposed by legendary counter culture secret reporter zombie, in a

lengthy 2 hour D/s photo shoot with a political statement on his behind was

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unexpectedly catapulted to fame on the internet. Well today, the new congressman from

California is off to Washington…

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“The English dish known as “Toad in the Hole” was today found not to contain

toad as a major ingredient”

Crunchy Frog anyone?

302 avanti Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:00:23pm reply

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re: #290 Liberal Classic

I’m not much of a gold bug, but I do think old coins are interesting. The oldest

one I have is an Athenian Owl from about 450 BCE, and some Roman denarii

from the early imperial period. These are silver, not gold, of course. I do have a

few gold coin from the late Roman empire and the Byzantines.

I find them interesting (to fondle) not so much because they’re precious metal,

but for the historical significance. It’s fun to hold them and imagine where

they’ve been, and through how many hands they’ve changed.

I get that, I collect old Studebaker pocket watches too, and other old items, old maps are

particularly interesting to me. I still want to buy a nice dinosaur fossil off ebay some day.

303 Mich-again Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:00:31pm reply

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re: #291 Spare O’Lake

I am not offended, I just think it is infantile and stoops to their level.

It reminds me of high school girls gossiping about each other in the halls.

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re: #298 Jimmah

“The English dish known as “Toad in the Hole” was today found not to contain

toad as a major ingredient”

If we took the bones out, it wouldn’t be crunchy, would it?

305 Racer X Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:01:03pm reply

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It reminds me of high school girls gossiping about each other in the halls.

Yes. It is getting old.

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re: #297 SteveC

After I got my pacemaker, the tech says “Avoid MRI’s and metal detectors. And

a nuclear explosion will damage your pacer, too.”

OH-KAY. I figure if Nukes are going off, my pacemaker is the least of my

worries!

Just “duck and cover”, what a joke that was.

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re: #249 avanti

You can buy real gold to fondle, but it costs a bit more than the spot market.

i.e., about $1100 for a 1 ounce coin this week. Of course, they’ll pay less when

you want to turn it back to currency.

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For speculation it is far more efficient and far lower overhead to trade “paper.” I write

“paper” because most of that trading is done electronically. I’ve “traded” millions of

barrels of Crude Oil, and never seen a drop of it. However, I had the right to settle with

cash or for the oil itself.

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Just a reminder that LCROSS impacts the Moon early Friday am, NASA will be televising.

[Link: http://www.nasa.gov…%5D

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re: #291 Spare O’Lake

I am not offended, I just think it is infantile and stoops to their level.

You’ve got a funny idea – extremely elevated in fact – of what their level is. Any reason

for that?

310 LudwigVanQuixote Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:02:32pm reply

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re: #285 Cato the Elder

In one of the recent gun-fetish posts (complete with the owner’s various

favorite sex toys posing fetchingly on a sofa), we find this sentence as part of

his advice to noobs: “In your house, you will face added factors, location of

family will be of tantamount importance.”

Yes, tantamount importance! We all know that paramount importance is really,

really important, so the tantamount variety – you just can’t get more important

than that.

Why that is tantamount to teaching English Cato… So you ummm hate gun porn and

speak like all educated and stuff. You know you MUST be ghey…

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311 PT Barnum Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:02:43pm reply

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Just “duck and cover”, what a joke that was.

That’s so you can kiss your arse goodbye

312 Rightwingconspirator Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:02:48pm reply

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re: #241 Kosh’s Shadow

Gotta respect the practical…

313 Gus 802 Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:02:59pm reply

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re: #305 Racer X

Yes. It is getting old.

I suppose.

Have you even been on the receiving end of their antics?

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re: #249 avanti

You can buy real gold to fondle

I’ll pay extra at the Kit-Kat Club, thanks!

/Let Bartlet be Bartlet

315 John Neverbend Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:03:34pm reply

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re: #298 Jimmah

“The English dish known as “Toad in the Hole” was today found not to contain

toad as a major ingredient”

“And eating I am lots of chips and fish and hole in the toads and Dundee cakes on

Piccadilly Line, don’t you know old chap, vot!”

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Any drummers here tonight? One more from my YT faves and good night:

Youtube Video

317 gregb Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:04:28pm reply

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re: #51 TheMatrix31

Fuck that. Not me.

I hope the Dodgers get swept, starting tonight.

Go Angels.

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re: #291 Spare O’Lake

I am not offended, I just think it is infantile and stoops to their level.

It’s a private thread. This is an incident that only happened this morning. I think you need

to lighten up.

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“The English dish known as “Toad in the Hole” was today found not to contain

toad as a major ingredient”

Excellent, tovarisch Jimmah. 🙂

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re: #176 Jimmah

And the reference to a thread from over a year ago that just happens to be of

particular morbid interest to the most grieviously and chronically butthurt of

the deucers – not a giveaway at all!

The people on 2.0 are getting dumber every day. It’s like a competition. Latest

news from there seems to be that I’m your sock puppet. And you are Charles’s.

And we also are very similar to Medaura and A Van Hilten, apparently. Srsly.

Let me know if I have my 15 seconds of fame there will you. Had a look last years

sometime, but the whining hurt my ears.

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[crickets]

322 Spare O’Lake Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:06:35pm reply

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Mocking them. Got a problem with that?

I think you are giving them the undeserved attention they crave while lowering yourselves

to their level.

I don’t like it however you go right ahead, I’m not asking you to stop, but I truly believe it

is counterproductive and just encourages them.

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Hey Night-time Sekrit Lizards!

What’s up?

324 Bagua Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:06:49pm reply

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re: #309 Jimmah

You’ve got a funny idea – extremely elevated in fact – of what their level is. Any

reason for that?

I also felt awkward in mentioning their threats in the prior thread as it gives them

attention, something they crave. But they also need to be called out, held to ridicule and

be held accountable for criminal threats.

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Iceweasels mockery is a treasure.

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I recently received a disability settlement and want try to invest some of it. I have no idea

what I’m doing, I don’t even have a 401K.

Any ideas where to start, links..?

326 Walter L. Newton Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:08:11pm reply

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re: #325 sngnsgt

I recently received a disability settlement and want try to invest some of it. I

have no idea what I’m doing, I don’t even have a 401K.

Any ideas where to start, links..?

Email me and I have a great idea.

327 iceweasel Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:08:27pm reply

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re: #309 Jimmah

You’ve got a funny idea – extremely elevated in fact – of what their level is. Any

reason for that?

Good question. Myself, I wonder why he wondered if you and I are related in that very

thread. Sounds familiar, somehow.

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re: #316 The Sanity Inspector

Not a drummer myself, but I appreciate good drummers.

Danny Carey’s kit in this video is pretty awesome (made from melted cymbals IIRC):

Youtube Video

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I recently received a disability settlement and want try to invest some of it. I

have no idea what I’m doing, I don’t even have a 401K.

Any ideas where to start, links..?

Depends on how much energy you want to put into managing it after you invest. Index

funds are probably the safest, lowest overhead choice, as they basically buy the market,

and overall the market outperforms most investments over the long run.

330 Noam Sayin’ Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:10:02pm reply

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Find a financial professional in your community.

331 PT Barnum Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:10:11pm reply

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I recently received a disability settlement and want try to invest some of it. I

have no idea what I’m doing, I don’t even have a 401K.

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Any ideas where to start, links..?

It just so happens I have this relative who recently died in Nigeria…

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Umm attention all duecers.. I want to thank you for all the interest you have placed in me

and speculations on my love life. For the record, Ice is not CJ’s gf, or even CJ.

Ice is actually my devoted sex slave and we are awaiting Zombie to take photos of us

having a good old fashioned spanking session.

Ice, just to make them understand how real this is, call me Master one more time…

///

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Depends on how much energy you want to put into managing it after you

invest. Index funds are probably the safest, lowest overhead choice, as they

basically buy the market, and overall the market outperforms most investments

over the long run.

I one considers a 1.6% gain over 10 years to be outperforming.

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Good question. Myself, I wonder why he wondered if you and I are related in

that very thread. Sounds familiar, somehow.

Well that was a mood killer. Maybe we should change the subject.

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Obama sucks!

Liberals suck!

Nazis are really leftists!

//

335 Naso Tang Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:12:03pm reply

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I recently received a disability settlement and want try to invest some of it. I

have no idea what I’m doing, I don’t even have a 401K.

Any ideas where to start, links..?

Whoo boy. There’s a question that will get some salivating (not lizards of course).

If you have a reputable bank, go talk to them. Don’t ask the internet.

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re: #309 Jimmah

You’ve got a funny idea – extremely elevated in fact – of what their level is. Any

reason for that?

I’m not the one parroting their stupidity over here ad nauseum.

337 Jimmah Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:12:49pm reply

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It’s a private thread. This is an incident that only happened this morning. I

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think you need to lighten up.

Exactly – we are not talking about them all the time – far from it.

I hope that before long there will be so little connection between LGF and the stalker sites

in terms of members that there will be very little occasion for mentioning them at all. But

while they are still trying to fuck with this site and its community, and while there are still

people here who seem to be so clueless in spotting this kind of behaviour – it seems to

me that this kind of mockery – in the way of exposing theior idiocy and tactics – very

much has a place.

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re: #313 Gus 802

I suppose.

Have you even been on the receiving end of their antics?

Not yet – mostly because I honestly do not care.

339 marjoriemoon Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:12:52pm reply

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re: #318 iceweasel

It’s a private thread. This is an incident that only happened this morning. I

think you need to lighten up.

Just so you know, the private zombie thread was posted in its entirety the other night. At

least the “good” bits. Not sure all the rats have been weeded out yet 😦

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Not yet – mostly because I honestly do not care.

You would have different feelings if you had been on the receiving end.

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You would have different feelings if you had been on the receiving end.

No I wouldn’t.

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re: #333 Bagua

I one considers a 1.6% gain over 10 years to be outperforming.

Basics of Index funds

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re: #205 Thanos

The correlation between gold pimps and apocalyptic sites, both left and right,

is well established. At the seamier ones also tend to run homeopathic cure ads

along with other pseudo science that milks suckers.

This is why the far right does not care if the Republican Party never wins another election.

They are not in it to win, they are in it to provide a reliable marketing base for certain

categories of highly questionable products and services, particularly those based on a

rejection of what is perceived to be the scientific, medical, and academic consensus. Their

websites are covered up with ads for them.

In essence it is a marketing based counterculture, similar to the youth counterculture of

the 60s. I have alluded here many times to The Conquest of Cool, the remarkable cultural

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history in Thomas Frank alleges that the 60s counterculture was largely created by the

advertising industry as a marketing gimmick.

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re: #316 The Sanity Inspector

Any drummers here tonight? One more from my YT faves and good night:

I’m here! Lurking, but here. Checking this out now. 😀

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re: #337 Jimmah

Exactly – we are not talking about them all the time – far from it.

I hope that before long there will be so little connection between LGF and the

stalker sites in terms of members that there will be very little occasion for

mentioning them at all. But while they are still trying to fuck with this site and

its community, and while there are still people here who seem to be so clueless

in spotting this kind of behaviour – it seems to me that this kind of mockery –

in the way of exposing theior idiocy and tactics – very much has a place.

I agree. These people are threatening my life on a daily basis. I appreciate knowing what

they are up to, and I don’t appreciate the pressure to make you stop exposing them.

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re: #232 LudwigVanQuixote

The science of AGW is far more sensible than the marketing. Which is too bad. My

understanding os the science leaves me with a few personal conclusions. Yes its real. Yes

we have a hand in it. Yet, there are natural forces far less well measured than mankinds

impact. There are far longer cycles in climate than post industrial effects. The interactions

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are in the process of understanding. The models are more helpful than accurate. Trends

vs details. Details (like the wiggles in the daily gold price) do not deny the trend, or

longer term numbers. i.e gold is up over the last few years, yet down this hour…

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re: #340 Gus 802

You would have different feelings if you had been on the receiving end.

Come on. You seriously don’t thing it is flattery, even if it comes from jealous assholes?

(Exactly what do mean by receiving end anyway?)

348 sngnsgt Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:18:31pm reply

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re: #326 Walter L. Newton

e-mail sent…

349 Floral Giraffe Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:19:18pm reply

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re: #325 sngnsgt

Ask your friends, neighbors, who they invest with, and if they are happy with their results

versus the market in the past few years.

Go interview the ones recommended. See if one “fits” your style.

Ask for references.

Do you have a good accountant?

Ask them, that’s usually a good reference.

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re: #322 Spare O’Lake

I think you are giving them the undeserved attention they crave while lowering

yourselves to their level.

I don’t like it however you go right ahead, I’m not asking you to stop, but I

truly believe it is counterproductive and just encourages them.

You seriously insult us and elevate them by suggesting for one moment that there is any

equivalence whatsoever between our perfectly justified mockery of their idiocy, and their

disgusting behaviour, revolting slurs, violent fantasies etc.

Funny how it’s always the wingnuts who are closest in thought to the inhabitants of 2.0

who find any exposure of their crap so ‘unseemly’.

351 Bagua Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:19:29pm reply

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re: #342 PT Barnum

Basics of Index funds

I know all about Index Funds. re: #345 Charles

I agree. These people are threatening my life on a daily basis. I appreciate

knowing what they are up to, and I don’t appreciate the pressure to make you

stop exposing them.

Good to know as I was uncomfortable highlighting what I recently witnessed as they crave

attention. I would quite enjoy anything I could do to hold them to account.

352 sngnsgt Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:20:27pm reply

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re: #335 Naso Tang

Whoo boy. There’s a question that will get some salivating (not lizards of

course).

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If you have a reputable bank, go talk to them. Don’t ask the internet.

That’s pretty much the answer I was looking for… I just wanted suggestions where to

start…

353 iceweasel Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:21:06pm reply

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re: #339 marjoriemoon

Just so you know, the private zombie thread was posted in its entirety the other

night. At least the “good” bits. Not sure all the rats have been weeded out yet 😦

yeah, but the point of keeping it in the private threads isn’t to keep it from them, but to

avoid turning off the new readers, who don’t know who these people are and don’t care.

We have tens of thousands of new readers and they’re not registered, remember.

People tend to think of LGF as being constituted by the people who comment, or

(possibly) all the people registered. It’s much, much bigger than that –and that’s a very

commenter-centric view. The big picture is the numbers.

354 Gus 802 Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:21:23pm reply

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Come on. You seriously don’t thing it is flattery, even if it comes from jealous

assholes?

(Exactly what do mean by receiving end anyway?)

I have to explain what I mean by being on the receiving end? I really don’t want to go

through a list right now but let me say this. Everyone here has been on the receiving end

as long as you’re a part of Little Green Footballs.

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pimf: note to self: Dear God! Always scan for un-posted comments before posting!

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re: #350 Jimmah

Funny how it’s always the wingnuts who are closest in thought to the

inhabitants of 2.0 who find any exposure of their crap so ‘unseemly’.

What are you trying to say?

357 Rightwingconspirator Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:22:50pm reply

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I am so getting down dinged! Hey folks, I’ve been polite, concise etc. Whats up?

358 Mich-again Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:22:52pm reply

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re: #353 iceweasel

People tend to think of LGF as being constituted by the people who comment,

or (possibly) all the people registered. It’s much, much bigger than that–and

that’s a very commenter-centric view.

Agreed.

359 marjoriemoon Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:22:59pm reply

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I have to explain what I mean by being on the receiving end? I really don’t want

to go through a list right now but let me say this. Everyone here has been on

the receiving end as long as you’re a part of Little Green Footballs.

Some more than others! (but I think that was your original point)

360 Gus 802 Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:23:42pm reply

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Some more than others! (but I think that was your original point)

Yes.

361 PT Barnum Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:24:05pm reply

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I figured you did, but thought the original asker deserved more info.

362 Ojoe Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:24:52pm reply

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Even Ojoe? and the Towercam? Really? I never go to see.

363 PT Barnum Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:24:55pm reply

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That’s pretty much the answer I was looking for… I just wanted suggestions

where to start…

Motley Fool is a good place to start for information overall.

That’s where I got the link on Mutual Funds.

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What are you trying to say?

What part of what I said is unclear to you?

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re: #354 Gus 802

Everyone here has been on the receiving end as long as you’re a part of Little

Green Footballs.

True. We’ve all been painted a million times with every insult you could imagine. Some by

name, but all in general.

366 Gus 802 Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:26:08pm reply

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Even Ojoe? and the Towercam? Really? I never go to see.

Nah, not that I’ve seen. I’ve actually haven’t been venturing out there for weeks. Only

looked just today after a long respite.

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367 Bagua Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:26:41pm reply

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That’s pretty much the answer I was looking for… I just wanted suggestions

where to start…

Disagree strongly with the “go ask the bank” comment. Consider that most investment

accounts lost 45% or more last year and only just broke even for the last decade. The so

called “prudent man” and “diversity of investments” has been proven a fraud once again.

All of those brilliant MBAs and investment advisers can’t outperform a chimp.

As far as Mutual Funds, they are the biggest fraud going.

368 Ojoe Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:26:57pm reply

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Thanks for the info.

369 Racer X Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:28:09pm reply

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What part of what I said is unclear to you?

Perhaps I misunderstood your post.

I do not enjoy the constant updates of who said what over there, about so and so over

here. If you are inferring that because I find that topic “unseemly”, that I would be more

comfortable over there, I find that insulting.

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You seriously insult us and elevate them by suggesting for one moment that

there is any equivalence whatsoever between our perfectly justified mockery of

their idiocy, and their disgusting behaviour, revolting slurs, violent fantasies

etc.

Funny how it’s always the wingnuts who are closest in thought to the

inhabitants of 2.0 who find any exposure of their crap so ‘unseemly’.

Ah yes. And the ones who find it so very unseemly to talk about them, and find

themselves so very offended by silly words like butthurt*, are the fastest to turn up over

there and drop their masks and suddenly have no problem at all posting on a site filled

with the most disgusting and abusive language possible — and eagerly employing that

language themselves.

*Some little turd here recently characterised me as employing a ‘gutter obscenity’ — for

using the word ‘damn’. Has he been in cryogenic stasis since before Gone with the Wind

was made? — I doubt it, but I’ll give you good odds that he is or soon will be on the

Douche-blog calling me and other women c–ts.

To say nothing of the abusive language they employ towards the male posters, and most

of all Charles.

371 marjoriemoon Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:29:32pm reply

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That’s pretty much the answer I was looking for… I just wanted suggestions

where to start…

Charles Schwab?

372 Tats66 Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:29:51pm reply

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well howdy all…just what have I dropped into?? 😛

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re: #352 sngnsgt

That’s pretty much the answer I was looking for… I just wanted suggestions

where to start…

Depending on how involved you want to be, go browse the investing books in the

bookstore. Truth is you won’t make any money on interest alone right now, and a 3%

return (considered good now) will leave you were you are today after inflation a few years

from now. Your bank will probably give you reasonable advice, but one that will likely

profit them more than you.

How about starting a business that you know you can do?

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re: #291 Spare O’Lake

I am not offended, I just think it is infantile and stoops to their level.

If a child is naughty and the parents do not correct their behavior — that behavior

becomes the norm. Soon the child becomes naughtier and more out of control. It is

important to correct naughtiness in a child — or in a blogger, by words and deeds.

375 Spare O’Lake Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:30:00pm reply

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I agree. These people are threatening my life on a daily basis. I appreciate

knowing what they are up to, and I don’t appreciate the pressure to make you

stop exposing them.

I respect your wishes and will keep my views on this subject to myself.

I can assure you, however, that my views were directed to what I honestly perceived as

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your best interests.

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That’s why I was recommending index funds, as opposed to a managed fund. If you want

to buy individual stocks, that can get tricky and requires a lot more education, in my

opinion.

I have some inheritance coming and plan to buy a mix of index funds (S&P 500, NASDAQ,

etc), and a few stocks. That’s after I pay off most of my debts so that I can take advantage

of dollar cost averaging going forward.

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re: #367 Bagua

re: #371 marjoriemoon

Thanks for the info, I’m just looking for ideas to bounce off the wall to get started.

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re: #365 Mich-again

True. We’ve all been painted a million times with every insult you could

imagine. Some by name, but all in general.

Exactly, insult one, you insult all. It goes beyond insults many times and reaches the

point of threats. Charles has received the brunt of it for many years. I don’t lose any sleep

over it which is why before the grumbling started I was trying to be humorous about it

all.

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I have to explain what I mean by being on the receiving end? I really don’t want

to go through a list right now but let me say this. Everyone here has been on

the receiving end as long as you’re a part of Little Green Footballs.

That was a crude joke, silly.

380 iceweasel Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:32:11pm reply

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Exactly, insult one, you insult all. It goes beyond insults many times and

reaches the point of threats. Charles has received the brunt of it for many

years. I don’t lose any sleep over it which is why before the grumbling started I

was trying to be humorous about it all.

Mockery and exposure are the best weapons against them, IMO.

381 PT Barnum Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:32:33pm reply

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I would suggest buying a copy of Personal Finance for Dummies to start (it was the best

thing I ever did)

I also recommend looking at your entire financial picture to determine whether you arent’

better off paying down debt than investing.

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I would suggest buying a copy of Personal Finance for Dummies to start (it was

the best thing I ever did)

I also recommend looking at your entire financial picture to determine whether

you arent’ better off paying down debt than investing.

Good.

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That was a crude joke, silly.

Ah, well, I didn’t know. I was kind of wondering seeing that come from you.

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Wow. Hey say anything against AGW, even its marketing or silly side and you get down

dinged. Okay I get it. I had thought that rating thing was about keeping a lid on flaming

or harsh rhetoric. Its really a rating of how much we agree with an issue?

I’m just asking as a relatively new guy around here. I had this hunch this would happen…

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LOL!

You & I’ve been around on this!

And agreed to disagree!

{Ice}

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re: #371 marjoriemoon

Thanks for the info, I’m just looking for ideas to bounce off the wall to get

started.

I’m no financial advisor heh But they handle my employer’s 401K and seem to know what

they’re doing. At least if you call one of the investment brokers, chatting with them may

give you some ideas even if you don’t sign up.

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Perhaps I misunderstood your post.

I do not enjoy the constant updates of who said what over there, about so and

so over here. If you are inferring that because I find that topic “unseemly”, that

I would be more comfortable over there, I find that insulting.

Have you noticed how many of the inhabitants of 2.0 started out over here saying things

like “I don’t think it’s nice to talk about that place/people who are not here to defend

themselves/some other such deflective bullshit ? And how the vast majority of them are of

the wingnut persuasion?

You must have. If you haven’t, then you just provided an excellent reason for such

‘updates’ – although why you would call them constant I don’t know – they are nothing of

the sort.

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re: #377 sngnsgt

re: #371 marjoriemoon

Thanks for the info, I’m just looking for ideas to bounce off the wall to get

started.

Understand the risks, the risk of speculation is large losses, something that is never

properly disclosed to the investor in my opinion.

As far as index funds, realize that they are just as risky as any market speculation, then

may outperform a Mutual Fund by a fraction, but both have the same unhedged risk. If

your Mutual Fund loses 60% and your index fund loses only 59%, where’s the joy in that?

Even worse, it is possible to trade the indecis with margin, so losing 30% could invoke a

60% loss, more than one’s original investment.

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Ah, well, I didn’t know. I was kind of wondering seeing that come from you.

Now what does that mean? I have no sense of humor, apparently?

*Sobs*

390 Bagua Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:36:11pm reply

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re: #380 iceweasel

Mockery and exposure are the best weapons against them, IMO.

I agree, (and good show BTW)!

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re: #380 iceweasel

Mockery and exposure are the best weapons against them, IMO.

I’m sorry Ice – and Charles – I disagree. I’ve only peeked over there once or twice and it

seemed totally pathetic. Not even worth my time. From what I’ve read here about what

goes on there, they thrive on the exposure. I think it brings this blog down, IMHO.

If anyone thinks that because of this attitude I would be more comfortable over there –

you are wrong.

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Now what does that mean? I have no sense of humor, apparently?

*Sobs*

No, maybe I don’t. 😉

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Oo! Oo! Am I famous enough to mentioned by the douches, or am I still in the realms of

obscurity?

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Thought about the business thing, my health as far as my Epilepsy goes makes it hard to

put in the time…

395 Rightwingconspirator Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:38:17pm reply

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re: #11 LudwigVanQuixote

I’m in the gold biz, but to jewelry makers. Yet, telling people to invest into a record high

market? SNAKE OIL.

396 iceweasel Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:38:35pm reply

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LOL!

You & I’ve been around on this!

And agreed to disagree!

{Ice}

Big fan of the FG here. Always have been. {FG}

/thanks for loving me despite my pottymouth.

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Goodnight folks.

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re: #395 Rightwingconspirator

I’m in the gold biz, but to jewelry makers. Yet, telling people to invest into a

record high market? SNAKE OIL.

Now is not the time to buy gold. Why are there so many infomercials hawking gold?

Because the big investors are looking to sell.

399 Gus 802 Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:39:47pm reply

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Goodnight folks.

Later!

400 marjoriemoon Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:41:02pm reply

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re: #388 Bagua

Understand the risks, the risk of speculation is large losses, something that is

never properly disclosed to the investor in my opinion.

As far as index funds, realize that they are just as risky as any market

speculation, then may outperform a Mutual Fund by a fraction, but both have

the same unhedged risk. If your Mutual Fund loses 60% and your index fund

loses only 59%, where’s the joy in that? Even worse, it is possible to trade the

indecis with margin, so losing 30% could invoke a 60% loss, more than one’s

original investment.

Well I’m a pretty conservative investor. I had a large % of my money in gov funds (t-bills,

etc.) and was getting ready to move them to something more aggressive when the market

tanked. Good for me I guess. I didn’t lose in the 6 digits like others. But I’d like to get a

little more aggressive.

A lot of this is gobblety-gook to me and I think I’m a fairly intelligent human 🙂

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Okay I have posted links. But my profile says none? It shows my karma. Can somebody

help a new guy understand how this all works? Yes I read the posting rules etc.

402 sngnsgt Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:41:29pm reply

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See what I mean, you’re already over my head there. That’s why I need to find someone

who can at least give me some book learning.

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Evening, lizards.

Feeling some better tonight so I thought I’d log in for a bit.

404 Rightwingconspirator Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:44:40pm reply

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Well jewelry is investing in your appearance not your “investments”. But the gold biz

attracts some horrible people. we really do call it gold fever in my office. from buying

scams to selling scams. Even jewelers get caught up in the emotion. Infomercials are

carpetbaggers. No real interest in you the buyer or the trade.

405 Rightwingconspirator Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:45:22pm reply

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Welcome!

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yeah, but the point of keeping it in the private threads isn’t to keep it from

them, but to avoid turning off the new readers, who don’t know who these

people are and don’t care. We have tens of thousands of new readers and

they’re not registered, remember.

People tend to think of LGF as being constituted by the people who comment,

or (possibly) all the people registered. It’s much, much bigger than that –and

that’s a very commenter-centric view. The big picture is the numbers.

I’m new here, and I don’t quite understand this whole 2.0, stalker site, sock-puppet

thing. But I want to. Can someone point me to a post where this is discussed, or brief me

very shortly? Sorry to be a bother, you must’ve had to explain this thousands of times,

already.

But, since I’m on the Johnson boat now, I’d like to know which people are on the other

side of the fence (that is, inside the asylum, I guess).

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*Some little turd here recently characterised me as employing a ‘gutter

obscenity’ — for using the word ‘damn’. Has he been in cryogenic stasis since

before Gone with the Wind was made? — I doubt it, but I’ll give you good odds

that he is or soon will be on the Douche-blog calling me and other women

c–ts.

Absolutely. The weakest, lamest monocle popping incident I’ve ever witnessed. Seriously,

victorian seamstresses would have mocked that one.

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re: #387 Jimmah

Have you noticed how many of the inhabitants of 2.0 started out over here

saying things like “I don’t think it’s nice to talk about that place/people who are

not here to defend themselves/some other such deflective bullshit ? And how

the vast majority of them are of the wingnut persuasion?

You must have. If you haven’t, then you just provided an excellent reason for

such ‘updates’ – although why you would call them constant I don’t know –

they are nothing of the sort.

Excellent point. Well said, as ever.

Something else to remember: They’re engaging in an ongoing recruiting effort. As much

as they desire to discredit LGF to others, they most of all want to sow confusion and

disturbance within the existing community here and bring over as many members as

possible to there.

They rely on misinformation and lies to do that. So it’s necessary that various bannings

be discussed, somewhat– to prevent the creation of a mystery and to rebut their lies.

Which is exactly how this topic started. Dear Josephine is off whining about being banned

for no reason. She is lying. Her comments here were deleted. It is necessary to point out

that she popped up over there not 3 minutes after being banned and claiming total lack

of knowledge about what was going on. because it debunks their lies and derails their

recruiting effort.

409 Floral Giraffe Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:47:48pm reply

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(Shameless suck up)

Your wit outshines your “potty mouth”!

‘Tis true!

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re: #403 Irish Rose

Good news, that you’re feeling better!

Glad to “see” you!

411 iceweasel Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:49:40pm reply

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Evening, lizards.

Feeling some better tonight so I thought I’d log in for a bit.

How are you??

412 lurking faith Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:51:38pm reply

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re: #380 iceweasel

Mockery and exposure are the best weapons against them, IMO.

Our chief weapon is surprise; surprise and fear; fear and surprise… Our two weapons are

fear and surprise, and ruthless efficiency… Our three weapons are fear and surprise and

ruthless efficiency, and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope… Our four… No…

Amongst our weapons… Amongst our weaponry are such elements as fear… I’ll come in

again.

413 Jimmah Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:52:07pm reply

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re: #408 iceweasel

Excellent point. Well said, as ever.

Something else to remember: They’re engaging in an ongoing recruiting effort.

As much as they desire to discredit LGF to others, they most of all want to sow

confusion and disturbance within the existing community here and bring over

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as many members as possible to there.

They rely on misinformation and lies to do that. So it’s necessary that various

bannings be discussed, somewhat– to prevent the creation of a mystery and to

rebut their lies.

Which is exactly how this topic started. Dear Josephine is off whining about

being banned for no reason. She is lying. Her comments here were deleted. It is

necessary to point out that she popped up over there not 3 minutes after being

banned and claiming total lack of knowledge about what was going on.

because it debunks their lies and derails their recruiting effort.

Excellent point, ice-ski. If we don’t give the real story in such events, their bullshit

version is allowed to go unchallenged. No way should we allow that to happen.

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re: #384 Rightwingconspirator

Well I think there maybe is a bit of “AGW”. But:

The climate is very complicated & we don’t understand it perfectly.

& maybe we are staving off the next ice age, not a bad outcome.

Because, all the earth orbit precessions, etc, which affect climate, have always been going

on; and ice ages are relatively recent, and lots of carbon anciently got sequestered in

fossil fuels, and maybe at some point the amount of sequestered carbon let the ice ages

begin. So maybe if we get the right amount of carbon back into biological circulation (&

in the atmosphere as part of that biological circulation), we will strike the happy medium:

no ice age and no big temperature increase.

I suppose it will be much a factor of luck if we actually do this.

Ding me whichever way you want…

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How are you??

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The antibiotics are doing their thing, and I’m slowly improving.

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Excellent point, ice-ski. If we don’t give the real story in such events, their

bullshit version is allowed to go unchallenged. No way should we allow that to

happen.

So, what is the real story? Actually, I don’t even know the stalkers’ story, but I don’t care

much about that version.

Care to illustrate it for me, lizards?

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Oo! Oo! Am I famous enough to mentioned by the douches, or am I still in the

realms of obscurity?

Just hang with the more liberal posters, or kick someone’s ass so badly in an debate that

their butthurt* is never ending, or support Charles and LGF, and you’ll be a star! (Being

vociferously pro-science will get you there too).

*apologies to FG for the bh word.

Youtube Video

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Heh!

I’m getting used to it.

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(And ignoring it!)

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I’m feeling so alive, feeling so real

On a stormy night, the rain is coming down

Rain like never before

I’ve got some records on, some bottles of wine

On a stormy night, the rain is lashing down

And I’m waiting for her

Youtube Video

420 Floral Giraffe Wed, Oct 7, 2009 8:59:43pm reply

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People who used to post here, got banned for very good reasons, started an “alternate”

site. They spend their days reading & commenting on everything that goes on here. And

threatening (from their Mother’s basements) what they are going to do to Charles and

some of the other Lizards. They are very ill people, who need to get a life.

That is my short version of it.

Oh, and it is not limited to just one website, or stalker. There are 4 or 5, if I recall

correctly.

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Does James Dobson pay taxes?

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So, what’s this rumor that I’m hearing about iceweasel and Cato?

Sounds very intriguing ;).

423 Jimmah Wed, Oct 7, 2009 9:04:29pm reply

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So, what is the real story? Actually, I don’t even know the stalkers’ story, but I

don’t care much about that version.

Care to illustrate it for me, lizards?

Short version : assholes got banned from LGF for being unable to handle having their

fascist tendencies/creationism/conspiracy nut theories challenged. More flounced. Went

off, formed themselves into one of the saddest grief-holes on the internet (2.0) where

they encourage each other to become more stupid and delusional, not to mention hateful

– in some cases psychotically so with each day that passes (including violent threats

against members of LGF and even death threats against Charles).

Even shorter version:

Youtube Video

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So, what’s this rumor that I’m hearing about iceweasel and Cato?

Sounds very intriguing ;).

I think I heard that iceweasel and Cato are planning a trip to your place

///

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I think I heard that iceweasel and Cato are planning a trip to your place

///

Cool, I’ll stock the bar and load up on sushi.

426 outsidephilly Wed, Oct 7, 2009 9:06:21pm reply

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Cool, I’ll stock the bar and load up on sushi.

…what no chocolate?

427 iceweasel Wed, Oct 7, 2009 9:07:04pm reply

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So, what is the real story? Actually, I don’t even know the stalkers’ story, but I

don’t care much about that version.

Care to illustrate it for me, lizards?

What FG said in 416. There’s a cadre of true psychotics and stalkers who were former LGF

posters and banned for good reason. There is also the blogosphere wide story, which can

best be summarised as “rightwingblogosphere loved Charles Johnson’s anti-idiotarian

stance, so long as the only idiots he exposed were on the left.”

throw in simmering spite and envy from other bloggers on teh right for years, and you

get what’s happening now.

Here’s a short history in chronological order:

LGF Calls Out Fascists Spencer, Geller, VB

LGF Refuses to Pretend Glenn Beck is Anything But A Madman

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LGF Calls out Robert Stacy McCain for Racism; wingnutsphere loses it entirely

Titles are my own there.

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Freepers go psycho regarding…

Mary Cheney and Heather Poe to have second child in November; Freepers react

The dimwit Freeperbats even made it to the HuffPo with their caveman comments.

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So, what’s this rumor that I’m hearing about iceweasel and Cato?

Sounds very intriguing ;).

What, me and Cato now too? Sheesh. I can’t keep up.

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Just hang with the more liberal posters, or kick someone’s ass so badly in an

debate that their butthurt* is never ending, or support Charles and LGF, and

you’ll be a star! (Being vociferously pro-science will get you there too).

*apologies to FG for the bh word.

[Video]

Hah! Then it is no problem. Lemme just say this: I am a Texan Democrat, a devout Eastern

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Orthodox Christian who fully believes in science and evolution, and a sailor who believes

in the UN.

If this wasn’t a private thread, I think I would have made some of their heads explode with

that statement.

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Thanks, Iceweasel, Jimmah, Floral G.

I’ll catch up on my reading on moronic out-of-touch with reality creationists and be right

back. After all, I haven’t had a laugh in a few hours.

As an afterthought: just knowing what kind of people are against Mr. Johnson, LGF and

the lizard community convinces me of how cool this site is (not that further proof was

needed). There’s definitely something really good going on here to piss if it pisses off

people like you describe.

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Sean Hannity — bible thumper

Glenn Beck — bible thumper

Bill O’Reilly — bible thumper

Bobby Jindal — bible thumper

Sarah Palin — bible thumper

Mike Huckabee — bible thumper

Newt Gingrich — bible thumper

Tim Pawlenty — bible thumper

I see a pattern here.

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Thanks, Iceweasel, Jimmah, Floral G.

I’ll catch up on my reading on moronic out-of-touch with reality creationists

and be right back. After all, I haven’t had a laugh in a few hours.

As an afterthought: just knowing what kind of people are against Mr. Johnson,

LGF and the lizard community convinces me of how cool this site is (not that

further proof was needed). There’s definitely something really good going on

here to piss if it pisses off people like you describe.

Yep. You know that you are on the right conservative blog when the nutcases are

attacking it for being too weak.

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I think you could also put “creationist” after each of those names…

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Ran across this tonight–thought I’d share.

Youtube Video

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I think you could also put “creationist” after each of those names…

Sure could. That’s just the tip of the ice berg on that list. The litmus test is still going

strong.

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I don’t know if it makes me wonder more about the populace as a whole, or if it’s just the

politicians.

Scary, either way!

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Speaking of patterns, I put “Bible Thumper” into the internet anagram server & one of the

results was:

Blimp beer hut.

Goodnight all.

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I don’t get it. Seems like we’re the only modern country that has a party that prides itself

in advertising their religion. It’s as if though they are always saying, “look at me, look at

me! I am so holy and I am such a devout religious person!” Then they show up at some

podunk James Dobson like convention to prove their “religiosity.” And it’s always the

same two issues for those conventions: abortion and gays. Granted an opposition on

those two issues are acceptable but to be the only issues and with such negativity about it

all. It’s not like if they kept it private someone would accuse them of being, gasp, an

atheist! Who know, maybe they would.

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I don’t get it. Seems like we’re the only modern country that has a party that

prides itself in advertising their religion. It’s as if though they are always

saying, “look at me, look at me! I am so holy and I am such a devout religious

person!” Then they show up at some podunk James Dobson like convention to

prove their “religiosity.” And it’s always the same two issues for those

conventions: abortion and gays. Granted an opposition on those two issues are

acceptable but to be the only issues and with such negativity about it all. It’s

not like if they kept it private someone would accuse them of being, gasp, an

atheist! Who know, maybe they would.

As I have said before, our Christians act so unlike Christ.

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I don’t know if it makes me wonder more about the populace as a whole, or if

it’s just the politicians.

Scary, either way!

From my experience? The politicians. I’ve been around evangelicals before and although

I’ve seen them discuss it with like minded people I never really felt like they tried to

impose it on me.

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James Dobson has a huge broadcast audience with his “focus on the family” radio spots.

They’re NOT clearly creationist/bible thumping, and are broadcast every hour, here in LA,

Ca. on the local SeeBS (CBS)affiliate.

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As I have said before, our Christians act so unlike Christ.

Sometimes it seems like it’s just a hobby for some folks.

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re: #442 Floral Giraffe

James Dobson has a huge broadcast audience with his “focus on the family”

radio spots. They’re NOT clearly creationist/bible thumping, and are broadcast

every hour, here in LA, Ca. on the local SeeBS (CBS)affiliate.

Really? CNS News is kind of like that. They almost have a secular feel about the,

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James Dobson has a huge broadcast audience with his “focus on the family”

radio spots. They’re NOT clearly creationist/bible thumping, and are broadcast

every hour, here in LA, Ca. on the local SeeBS (CBS)affiliate.

Dobson is absolutely a hardcore, young earth creationist. And he advocates beating

children if they misbehave.

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re: #445 Charles

Dobson is absolutely a hardcore, young earth creationist. And he advocates

beating children if they misbehave.

I don’t like to bring it up much but we used to get “the belt.” If you go further back to the

grandparents they used to have other forms of punishment one of which included the

giving of a laxative.

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James Dobson:

“[P]ain is a marvelous purifier. . . It is not necessary to beat the child into

submission; a little bit of pain goes a long way for a young child. However, the

spanking should be of sufficient magnitude to cause the child to cry genuinely.”

From Dare to Discipline, pages 6 and 7

“Some strong-willed children absolutely demand to be spanked, and their

wishes should be granted. . . [T]wo or three stinging strokes on the legs or

buttocks with a switch are usually sufficient to emphasize the point, ‘You must

obey me.'”

From The Strong-Willed Child, pp. 53-4.

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wth?? haha “youve been a bad boy,time to empty out your bowels”

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Sometimes it seems like it’s just a hobby for some folks.

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Oh, yeah. I mean, most of the “Christian” charities are of the anti-Planned Parenthood

mold. If you want to see a Christian charity acting like how Christ did, go look at Mercy

Ships. I mean, they are so unlike all the rest, I didn’t even know they were a Christian

charity until I read their history.

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re: #442 Floral Giraffe

James Dobson has a huge broadcast audience with his “focus on the family”

radio spots. They’re NOT clearly creationist/bible thumping, and are broadcast

every hour, here in LA, Ca. on the local SeeBS (CBS)affiliate.

I think Dobson in the past did a good job of concealing his extremist views. Maybe he still

covers it up for his radio spots. I think (but am not sure) that he had a whole bunch of

childrearing books in the 80’s that looked normal to people, but it was all about giving

him a respectable cover. (IIRC the books then didn’t advocate beating kids, but he

absolutely has come out with that since.)Since the 80’s it’s become increasingly apparent

what a whacko he is.

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Forced ingestion Castor oil, Vaseline, etc. Hot pepper to the mouth. Soap to the mouth.

The belt to exposed skin. The shoe to exposed skin. Kneeling on popcorn kernels for an

hour.

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re: #445 Charles

He is VERY careful in his “focus on the family” topics.

There’s just the “good, moral Dad” in his stories/parables.

Not a hint of the creationist underneath.

I would never have known he was a creationist, except for LGF.

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I think he does a good job “broadening the base” with his HOURLY broadcasts.

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I don’t like to bring it up much but we used to get “the belt.” If you go further

back to the grandparents they used to have other forms of punishment one of

which included the giving of a laxative.

Ugh, Castor Oil? I’ve read about that shit. Gives me shivers just thinking about it.

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wth?? haha “youve been a bad boy,time to empty out your bowels”

Yep. Fortunately, I didn’t experience that.

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how did human beings have it so wrong?,you dont beat/humilate a child to teach it

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As I have said before, our Christians act so unlike Christ.

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To once more quote Gandhi on the subject:

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.”

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Ugh, Castor Oil? I’ve read about that shit. Gives me shivers just thinking about

it.

Weird no? This was in the 1930s and 1940s.

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All you had to do was break something by accident sometimes. You could be a silly little

kid of around 7 years old and break a potted plant and blam! You get beaten like a mule.

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how did human beings have it so wrong?,you dont beat/humilate a child to

teach it

Part of it is for the child to not want to suffer the punishment for whatever bad deed they

had done. I mean, a three year old is going to want to avoid a spanking more than just

sitting in a corner for 20 minutes.

Of course, I am not advocating beating your kid. There is a difference between swatting

them on the butt for playing with the stove, and beating them with a cane for interrupting

your Sunday football game.

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That’s it for me tonight.

I’m off to bed… catch ya’ll later.

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thats like smacking a dog when it makes a mess, they dont understand what is going

on.swatting a 3 year old child on the butt seems so barbaric,i cant respect a man or

woman who feels the need to spank a child for any reason. if youve got an older child

you feel you need to spank because hes messed up ,the fault is all yours for raising him

that way

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re: #452 Floral Giraffe

He is VERY careful in his “focus on the family” topics.

There’s just the “good, moral Dad” in his stories/parables.

Not a hint of the creationist underneath.

I would never have known he was a creationist, except for LGF.

I think he does a good job “broadening the base” with his HOURLY broadcasts.

Dobson is a very big promoter of “intelligent design” creationism, and he’s had ID

spokeshole Phillip Johnson on his program several times. He’s also had Pat Robertson on

his show promoting young earth creationism.

If you’re not familiar with how deeply this madness has gotten into the religious right,

and into American conservative politics, I highly recommend this book — it’s a real

eye-opener:

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Creationism’s Trojan Horse: The Wedge of Intelligent Design: Barbara Forrest, Paul R.

Gross.

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re: #452 Floral Giraffe

He is VERY careful in his “focus on the family” topics.

There’s just the “good, moral Dad” in his stories/parables.

Not a hint of the creationist underneath.

I would never have known he was a creationist, except for LGF.

I think he does a good job “broadening the base” with his HOURLY broadcasts.

Oh that makes sense and is like what i remember– in the early 80’s he had some bland

sorts of books about psychology and the average person didn’t think of him as a crank, i

don’t think. Later he came out with the other stuff. And people who were getting his

newsletters or involved with the AFA knew for years about all this hardcore crazy (they

were the real nuts).

Seems like his more extreme views on parenting started leaking out publicly timed with

the rise of the moral majority. The first book on disciplining your kid looks like it came

out in 87, the same year Operation rescue was founded. (no surprises there).

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Audio slideshow: Two lives affected

The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have been the most privatized in American

history. Tens of thousands of civilians have shared the battlefield with U.S.

soldiers, suffering similar injuries — physical and mental. Reggie and Linda are

two lives affected.

Francine Orr / Los Angeles Times Produced by Albert Lee

Just a note. This is a very sad presentation.

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I “got the belt” and the hairbrush, and the bar of Ivory soap, scraped against the teeth for

extra punishment.

NOT how I would raise a child.

Nor, how my sister has raised hers.

And they are good kids.

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re: #465 Floral Giraffe

I “got the belt” and the hairbrush, and the bar of Ivory soap, scraped against

the teeth for extra punishment.

NOT how I would raise a child.

Nor, how my sister has raised hers.

And they are good kids.

you broke the ugly cycle! good

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I “got the belt” and the hairbrush, and the bar of Ivory soap, scraped against

the teeth for extra punishment.

NOT how I would raise a child.

Nor, how my sister has raised hers.

And they are good kids.

I forgot about the brush. Glad you put that to an end. I promised myself that I would do

that.

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thats like smacking a dog when it makes a mess, they dont understand what is

going on.swatting a 3 year old child on the butt seems so barbaric,i cant

respect a man or woman who feels the need to spank a child for any reason. if

youve got an older child you feel you need to spank because hes messed up

,the fault is all yours for raising him that way

As I said, its just swatting them on the butt with your open hand. Sure, it hurts like the

dickens for about ten minutes afterward, but it does no damage to the kid. It is not

getting a cane and beating them to unconsciousness with it.

And even then, the point is that a kid doesn’t like having his butt hurt. If every time he

does something, he gets spanked, sooner or later he is going to stop doing it.

The trick is only using it for big things. Playing with the stove? Yes. Playing with your

favorite book? No. The threshold for spanking should always be if the child or anyone

else could get hurt from what the child is doing. That is the standard that was used when

I was a kid, and is the standard I will use whenever I have children.

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BTW, Dobson also interviewed Ted Bundy on death row in 86 just hours before his

execution, and used that interview to promote the claim that all pornography was evil and

turned people into serial killers.

It’s all on youtube, and it’s disgusting. Bundy was a sociopath who seized on the excuse

Dobson was holding out (the porn made me do it!) and seized the chance to excuse

himself and manipulate the people who would watch.

And Dobson and others have flogged that video for YEARS to promote the claim that porn

causes violence — a claim that has never been substantiated, and is often used to

promote censorship of all sorts of items, not merely porn.

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re: #462 Charles

I am not familiar with how big a promoter of “intelligent design” James Dobson is, and

will read up on it. What I am frightened by, is that he is on a CBS Radio station HOURLY

with his “focus on the family” propaganda.

And is not being challenged for his point of view.

Kind of weird, to have this religious right perspective being broadcast by the mainstream

media…

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I should clarify again, there is a difference between spanking a child and beating a child.

Spanking does no damage and is used as discipline. Beating can do damage up to killing

a child, is abuse, and is used merely as an anger release.

I am merely explaining the first. I shall never come to the defense of the second.

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As I said, its just swatting them on the butt with your open hand. Sure, it hurts

like the dickens for about ten minutes afterward, but it does no damage to the

kid. It is not getting a cane and beating them to unconsciousness with it.

And even then, the point is that a kid doesn’t like having his butt hurt. If every

time he does something, he gets spanked, sooner or later he is going to stop

doing it.

The trick is only using it for big things. Playing with the stove? Yes. Playing

with your favorite book? No. The threshold for spanking should always be if the

child or anyone else could get hurt from what the child is doing. That is the

standard that was used when I was a kid, and is the standard I will use

whenever I have children.

im assuming your swats would have to be painful enough so that hed want to avoid being

swatted..the lesson is dont touch the stove cus it burns and that hurts,so to teach you

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this i will hurt you bad enough so that you wont touch the stove again

i couldnt disagree with you more,and if hes unlucky he will raise his kids that way as well

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re: #470 Floral Giraffe

Kind of weird, to have this religious right perspective being broadcast by the

mainstream media…

It’s been going on covertly and not so covertly since the 80’s. They’re embedded deep

within the conservative movement. reagan made an unholy alliance with them to form a

winning coalition and what we’re seeing now is the end result. they’ve taken over the

asylum.

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BTW, Dobson also interviewed Ted Bundy on death row in 86 just hours before

his execution, and used that interview to promote the claim that all

pornography was evil and turned people into serial killers.

It’s all on youtube, and it’s disgusting. Bundy was a sociopath who seized on

the excuse Dobson was holding out (the porn made me do it!) and seized the

chance to excuse himself and manipulate the people who would watch.

And Dobson and others have flogged that video for YEARS to promote the claim

that porn causes violence — a claim that has never been substantiated, and is

often used to promote censorship of all sorts of items, not merely porn.

That’s right — this is what Dobson said after his infamous interviews with Ted Bundy:

“To those who say that Ted Bundy should burn forever in eternity, I would only

say, ‘So should I. So should all of us. … it’s not more difficult for God to forgive

Ted Bundy than it is for me. Its simple repentance and believing on the name of

Jesus Christ. That’s what we teach. Do we believe it?”

Dobson was willing to forgive Ted Bundy, a mass murderer and necrophiliac, because

Bundy claimed to have converted to Christianity.

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It’s enough to make you sick.

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Nothing that was done to me for “training” ever permanently damaged me. I can laugh at

the belts, hairbrushes & bars of soap. I was NOT permanently damaged. I know it was

done for training purposes. I always have and always will love, the people who treated me

this way.

There are WAY worse things, people do to each other.

And, they survive.

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“all pornography was evil and turned people into serial killers”

so what happened to all pornography makes you gay??

/

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WOW. That is sick. I gotta do some reading.

Thanks for the recomendations!

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im assuming your swats would have to be painful enough so that hed want to

avoid being swatted..the lesson is dont touch the stove cus it burns and that

hurts,so to teach you this i will hurt you bad enough so that you wont touch

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the stove again

i couldnt disagree with you more,and if hes unlucky he will raise his kids that

way as well

If the kid gets hurts playing with the stove, he could burn himself and do a lot of damage

to himself, up to burning down the house and killing himself. As I said, spanking does

hurt, but it does no permanent damage, and the pain goes away within an hour.

I should point out that spanking should be used only until the kid understands some

reason. If you can keep a child from doing something by talking to him, and you still

spank him, you are just taking out your anger on the child.

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re: #474 Charles

Dobson was willing to forgive Ted Bundy, a mass murderer and necrophiliac,

because Bundy claimed to have converted to Christianity.

It’s enough to make you sick.

AND he ‘forgave’ him because Bundy was willing to give him the propaganda he wanted.

The propaganda about porn.

Strangely enough, Dobson and the people like him in the religious right had an odd

alliance for a time with the radical feminists in the 80’s who were anti-porn– Dworkin,

MacKinnon, et al. And Dobson and the others would surely have said all those women

were doomed to hell (being lesbians, feminists, prochoice, or just ‘uppity’) — yet they

had no problem making common political cause with them for a while, while forgiving

Ted Bundy.

(Same applies to those feminists too, who should have known better than to make any

alliances with such profoundly misogynistic and sexist types, but there you go).

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Dobson was willing to forgive Ted Bundy, a mass murderer and necrophiliac,

because Bundy claimed to have converted to Christianity.

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It’s enough to make you sick.

I never understood that logic. They are saying a mass murderer that repents is morally

pure compared to someone that never hurt a fly and lives a decent life.

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ill disagree with you on the effectiveness of spanking and what the long term damages

are ( psychological) if any,thank you for sharing your thoughts on this with me.

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re: #481 Boyo

ill disagree with you on the effectiveness of spanking and what the long term

damages are ( psychological) if any,thank you for sharing your thoughts on this

with me.

Agree to disagree? No problem, it was a good discussion.

Although, I must point out, if the kid is psychologically scarred by it, thats beating, not

spanking.

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I never understood that logic. They are saying a mass murderer that repents is

morally pure compared to someone that never hurt a fly and lives a decent life.

It’s the narrow fundamentalist perspective of a certain kind of christian fundamentalism.

Accepting Jesus as your personal saviour is both necessary and sufficient for getting you

into heaven, no matter what you do — but a blameless jew, hindu, atheist, catholic, or

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anyone who doesn’t belong to their own narrow sect will burn forever.

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How pathetic. The creeps at the stalker blog are copying almost every comment I’ve been

posting in the next thread up.

Curiously, they haven’t posted anything from this thread at all. Could be they have no

socks left.

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AND he ‘forgave’ him because Bundy was willing to give him the propaganda he

wanted. The propaganda about porn.

Strangely enough, Dobson and the people like him in the religious right had an

odd alliance for a time with the radical feminists in the 80’s who were

anti-porn– Dworkin, MacKinnon, et al. And Dobson and the others would

surely have said all those women were doomed to hell (being lesbians,

feminists, prochoice, or just ‘uppity’) — yet they had no problem making

common political cause with them for a while, while forgiving Ted Bundy.

(Same applies to those feminists too, who should have known better than to

make any alliances with such profoundly misogynistic and sexist types, but

there you go).

Yes. That is what Dobson is saying. According to him, since Bundy “repented” he has

higher moral standing than a feminist lesbian that adopts a kid and raises him well and

lives a quiet life as well as being asleep by 2200. Yet she does not belong to the approved

organization.

There is not such thing as “original sin.” People are born innocent. There is no repentance

for mass murderers and the Ted Bundys of this world.

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How pathetic. The creeps at the stalker blog are copying almost every comment

I’ve been posting in the next thread up.

Curiously, they haven’t posted anything from this thread at all. Could be they

have no socks left.

Aww…, that means that they didn’t see my confession. Blast, I wanted to make some

heads explode!

/

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re: #474 Charles

Dobson was willing to forgive Ted Bundy, a mass murderer and necrophiliac,

because Bundy claimed to have converted to Christianity.

It’s enough to make you sick.

re: #480 Gus 802

I never understood that logic. They are saying a mass murderer that repents is

morally pure compared to someone that never hurt a fly and lives a decent life.

The one sin God/Allah cannot forgive is the ‘sin’ of unbelief. Cool with everything else

though, apparently.

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re: #480 Gus 802

I never understood that logic. They are saying a mass murderer that repents is

morally pure compared to someone that never hurt a fly and lives a decent life.

That’s exactly what they’re saying: a Ted Bundy who “repents” is a better person than an

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atheist.

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It’s the narrow fundamentalist perspective of a certain kind of christian

fundamentalism. Accepting Jesus as your personal saviour is both necessary

and sufficient for getting you into heaven, no matter what you do — but a

blameless jew, hindu, atheist, catholic, or anyone who doesn’t belong to their

own narrow sect will burn forever.

Exactly. And what a wonderful moral example that is…/

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Well, hopefully your “mad skillz” as a programmer have created effective tools to “out”

many, if not all, of the creepy sickos.

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re: #483 iceweasel

It’s the narrow fundamentalist perspective of a certain kind of christian

fundamentalism. Accepting Jesus as your personal saviour is both necessary

and sufficient for getting you into heaven, no matter what you do — but a

blameless jew, hindu, atheist, catholic, or anyone who doesn’t belong to their

own narrow sect will burn forever.

That is one of the things that I as a Christian don’t believe in. I mean, how can a

nonbeliever who lives his entire life espousing tenements that Christ did burn in hell,

while someone who just gave lipservice to the religion is given entry into Paradise?

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re: #488 Charles

That’s exactly what they’re saying: a Ted Bundy who “repents” is a better

person than an atheist.

Yes, and that’s morally repugnant to any normal person.

re: #489 Jimmah

Exactly. And what a wonderful moral example that is…/

It’s an extremely odd notion of God as well.

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As I said, its just swatting them on the butt with your open hand. Sure, it hurts

like the dickens for about ten minutes afterward, but it does no damage to the

kid. It is not getting a cane and beating them to unconsciousness with it.

And even then, the point is that a kid doesn’t like having his butt hurt. If every

time he does something, he gets spanked, sooner or later he is going to stop

doing it.

Hitting children would be considered abuse in Sweden. Even if it’s far from always

enforced, it exists in law and has disseminated through society pretty well. A parent

slapping a whining child at a convenience store, for instance, would be met with

disapproval if not outrage.

You still find the people saying “it never hurt me none” advocating it for their own

children. They are not seldom without other problems (with violence, alcoholism,

depression etc).

I say this more as a cultural reference point than anything else. I’m reminded about the

thread earlier where I discussed women’s rights with someone who thought we should

hold the progress we’ve made over the heads of other “backwards” nations (specifically

Islamic ones IIRC). I’m pretty certain, from earlier discussions with Americans, that the

“moral superiority” of never hitting children is not taken at face value. In fact, I often find

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that people will argue for “correctional slaps” (or whatever they want to call it) and that

requiring something else would be ineffective/sissy/liberal nonsense.

Reflecting on that, don’t you think people used to hitting women feel the same way? That

1950’s era “Every woman needs a good slap now and again”. It’s just educational, right?

Getting over that barrier, whether it be hitting women or children, will always be hard in

cultures where it comes naturally.

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Agree to disagree? No problem, it was a good discussion.

Although, I must point out, if the kid is psychologically scarred by it, thats

beating, not spanking.

but “effective spanking” would be one that would have to cause some sort of pain correct?

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That’s exactly what they’re saying: a Ted Bundy who “repents” is a better

person than an atheist.

In a way that almost creates a moral exception. I allows people a “contractual” out from

their moral obligations or life. This allows people to murder and get a “get out of

purgatory free card” with one act of repentance. To me that is illogical. There are level of

moral transgressions. They are not equal and there is no clause or act that can reverse the

breaking of those transgressions therein other than perhaps on a social level.

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It’s an extremely odd notion of God as well.

It’s morally repugnant to at least some Christians as well.

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but “effective spanking” would be one that would have to cause some sort of

pain correct?

No, an effective spanking is what stops the child from doing whatever dangerous thing

he’s doing. Sure it would hurt, but it would go away within 20 minutes. Enough to put a

block in the child’s mind “Doing X=Pain”. As I have said before, you should only employ

spanking when the pain of a spanking is preferable to the pain of the child doing injury

to himself, i.e. burning themselves playing with the stove. I can guarantee that a kid

getting 2nd degree burns would mess him up a lot more than five swats on the butt could

ever possibly hope to match.

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How pathetic. The creeps at the stalker blog are copying almost every comment

I’ve been posting in the next thread up.

Curiously, they haven’t posted anything from this thread at all. Could be they

have no socks left.

Snork seems to be especially obsessed. Is he recently banned?

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Snork seems to be especially obsessed. Is he recently banned?

‘Snork’ is ‘Earth2moonbat,’ who staged a really ugly multi-comment overnight flounce a

few days ago.

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No, an effective spanking is what stops the child from doing whatever

dangerous thing he’s doing. Sure it would hurt, but it would go away within 20

minutes. Enough to put a block in the child’s mind “Doing X=Pain”. As I have

said before, you should only employ spanking when the pain of a spanking is

preferable to the pain of the child doing injury to himself, i.e. burning

themselves playing with the stove. I can guarantee that a kid getting 2nd

degree burns would mess him up a lot more than five swats on the butt could

ever possibly hope to match.

so the answer is “yes.an effective spanking is one that causes pain”

i get a queasy feeling when reading your words,they seem like justification for something

i find barbaric.but we can leave it at that…agree to disagree it is.

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Hitting children would be considered abuse in Sweden. Even if it’s far from

always enforced, it exists in law and has disseminated through society pretty

well. A parent slapping a whining child at a convenience store, for instance,

would be met with disapproval if not outrage.

You still find the people saying “it never hurt me none” advocating it for their

own children. They are not seldom without other problems (with violence,

alcoholism, depression etc).

I say this more as a cultural reference point than anything else. I’m reminded

about the thread earlier where I discussed women’s rights with someone who

thought we should hold the progress we’ve made over the heads of other

“backwards” nations (specifically Islamic ones IIRC). I’m pretty certain, from

earlier discussions with Americans, that the “moral superiority” of never hitting

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children is not taken at face value. In fact, I often find that people will argue for

“correctional slaps” (or whatever they want to call it) and that requiring

something else would be ineffective/sissy/liberal nonsense.

Reflecting on that, don’t you think people used to hitting women feel the same

way? That 1950’s era “Every woman needs a good slap now and again”. It’s just

educational, right?

Getting over that barrier, whether it be hitting women or children, will always

be hard in cultures where it comes naturally.

Well, I’ll say this, if a man was doing something that would have got himself killed, I see

no problem with slapping some sense into him. Same with a child. You don’t spank a

child for something like throwing a tantrum, that would only make him cry louder. You

should only spank a child when that child is doing something that would cause harm to

himself or others.

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How pathetic. The creeps at the stalker blog are copying almost every comment

I’ve been posting in the next thread up.

Curiously, they haven’t posted anything from this thread at all. Could be they

have no socks left.

I cried because I had no shoes, until I met a troll who had no socks.

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‘Snork’ is ‘Earth2moonbat,’ who staged a really ugly multi-comment overnight

flounce a few days ago.

OK, now I remember. It would sure be strange to start copying and pasting the comments

from Douche II over here.

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OK, now I remember. It would sure be strange to start copying and pasting the

comments from Douche II over here.

And that one threatened to kill me earlier today.

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Well, I’ll say this, if a man was doing something that would have got himself

killed, I see no problem with slapping some sense into him. Same with a child.

You don’t spank a child for something like throwing a tantrum, that would only

make him cry louder. You should only spank a child when that child is doing

something that would cause harm to himself or others.

so instead of close supervision to avoid the “child touches stove burns house”scenario

,you advocate a smacking some sense into him when hes near the stove…or “slapping”

and adult when hes done something that could have killed him…damn none of that sits

right with me… 😦

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Well, I’ll say this, if a man was doing something that would have got himself

killed, I see no problem with slapping some sense into him. Same with a child.

You don’t spank a child for something like throwing a tantrum, that would only

make him cry louder. You should only spank a child when that child is doing

something that would cause harm to himself or others.

Sure. But, see, you won’t find me arguing that we shouldn’t categorically talk badly about

violence and beatings, since it might be necessary some day. I won’t make a case to rid us

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of laws protecting people from getting smacked in the face, because I can imagine a

scenario where it’d be appropriate.

According to those lines, I don’t see arguments for women “needing a slap sometimes” as

anything but misogynistic bullshit.

I hope you see my point.

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And that one threatened to kill me earlier today.

I remember that. Blue Host doesn’t seem to care. Come to think of it Blue Host hosts

other far-right wing hate sites.

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And that one threatened to kill me earlier today.

Unbelievable. Over what? Disagreeing with you? “Hey buddy, I don’t like what you said, so

eat a bullet”?

Psychopaths.

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Unbelievable. Over what? Disagreeing with you? “Hey buddy, I don’t like what

you said, so eat a bullet”?

Psychopaths.

They are indeed psychopaths. The site is run by psychopaths — the two administrators,

‘Rodan’ and ‘savage’ (real names: Rick Martinez and Marc Thomas Donato) are raving,

hate-filled maniacs.

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Unbelievable. Over what? Disagreeing with you? “Hey buddy, I don’t like what

you said, so eat a bullet”?

Psychopaths.

Yes, and there’s the milder form. I’m on the hate list, too, and one kind person today

posted that sheit hopes someone comes and kills my dog.

My medical service dog, mind you.

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so instead of close supervision to avoid the “child touches stove burns

house”scenario ,you advocate a smacking some sense into him when hes near

the stove…or “slapping” and adult when hes done something that could have

killed him…damn none of that sits right with me… 😦

Well, you can’t be everywhere at once.

After some thinking, i have come to this conclusion: the basis of learning not to do

something is that it would cause pain. The point of spanking a child is to take a situation

that would cause pain and probable injury to a child, and instill the lesson without the

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chance of injury. Shorter: You want them to learn that doing something bad hurts,

without any injury that bad thing could cause.

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They are indeed psychopaths. The site is run by psychopaths — the two

administrators, ‘Rodan’ and ‘savage’ (real names: Rick Martinez and Marc

Thomas Donato) are raving, hate-filled maniacs.

Marc Thomas Donato has frequent rape fantasies.

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Sure. But, see, you won’t find me arguing that we shouldn’t categorically talk

badly about violence and beatings, since it might be necessary some day. I

won’t make a case to rid us of laws protecting people from getting smacked in

the face, because I can imagine a scenario where it’d be appropriate.

According to those lines, I don’t see arguments for women “needing a slap

sometimes” as anything but misogynistic bullshit.

I hope you see my point.

Of course. Saying that kids need an occasional slap is nothing but stupidity. All that does

is to teach the kids to fear their parent.

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Dodgers WIN!

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Yesss…

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Shorter: You want them to learn that doing something bad hurts, without any

injury that bad thing could cause.

in what other instances besides a childs potential physical self harm due to his ignorance

do you advocate spanking?

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in what other instances besides a childs potential physical self harm due to his

ignorance do you advocate spanking?

None.

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Spanking is the final sanction against a childs bad behavior. Ive spanked my girls maybe 3

times. 2 older ones are on honor roll and all of them happy , well adjusted kids. My sis

almost never spanks her twin boys (certainly with no consistency). The one boy is an

absolute monster! He is the kid that makes everyone at a store clench their teeth. I love

him to death but that boy is lucky he’s not mine.

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re: #513 Gus 802

Marc Thomas Donato has frequent rape fantasies.

So I’ve noticed.

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So I’ve noticed.

It’s usually regarding Irish Rose. Marc Thomas Donato is a truck driver so I wouldn’t be

surprised if he was a serial killer.

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Spanking is the final sanction against a childs bad behavior. Ive spanked my

girls maybe 3 times. 2 older ones are on honor roll and all of them happy , well

adjusted kids. My sis almost never spanks her twin boys (certainly with no

consistency). The one boy is an absolute monster! He is the kid that makes

everyone at a store clench their teeth. I love him to death but that boy is lucky

he’s not mine.

when a child is so far gone that he is “an absolute monster” do you really think some

“spankings” are going to work??? and if you do think so ,how many spankings will do the

trick? when do you know your spankings have worked? ugh

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re: #520 Gus 802

It’s usually regarding Irish Rose. Marc Thomas Donato is a truck driver so I

wouldn’t be surprised if he was a serial killer.

The things they say about her are beyond belief. Frequent threats to come pay her a visit

as well.

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The things they say about her are beyond belief. Frequent threats to come pay

her a visit as well.

Puh. Fucking cowards.

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The things they say about her are beyond belief. Frequent threats to come pay

her a visit as well.

Misogyny is one of the last bastion of the bigots. Most of those posts aren’t even deleted.

Blue Host doesn’t really care.

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Goodnight, Dear lizards.

Sleppytime is calling.

Please play nicely.

Or, if you must, be REALLY nasty.

But not to each other!

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As KT says, namaste!

Hasta Manana.

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No, that wasn’t the point. Let’s take Mr. E. Train’s comment as an example.

re: #518 Mr. E. Train

Spanking is the final sanction against a childs bad behavior. Ive spanked my

girls maybe 3 times. 2 older ones are on honor roll and all of them happy , well

adjusted kids. My sis almost never spanks her twin boys (certainly with no

consistency). The one boy is an absolute monster! He is the kid that makes

everyone at a store clench their teeth. I love him to death but that boy is lucky

he’s not mine.

“Slapping is the final sanction against a woman’s bad behaviour. I’ve slapped my girlfriend

maybe 3 times..”

It just doesn’t sound good, right? To me, living in a culture where both are equally

frowned upon, there’s no real difference in the stories. Zero tolerance. That was my point.

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Sean Hannity — bible thumper

Glenn Beck — bible thumper

Bill O’Reilly — bible thumper

Bobby Jindal — bible thumper

Sarah Palin — bible thumper

Mike Huckabee — bible thumper

Newt Gingrich — bible thumper

Tim Pawlenty — bible thumper

I see a pattern here.

Is Gingrich really a thumper or just an Opportunist?

If Eric Cantor (R-Va) is particularly religious, does that make “Tora Tora Tora”

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appropriate?

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He’s not quite 4 yet. The clay hasnt dried and set. Ten or eleven would probably be to

late.

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Misogyny is one of the last bastion of the bigots. Most of those posts aren’t

even deleted. Blue Host doesn’t really care.

Misogyny and homophobia. That’s why both of those are so prevalent over there–when

they aren’t expressing genocidal sentiments and posting prayer lists.

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Dobson was willing to forgive Ted Bundy, a mass murderer and necrophiliac,

because Bundy claimed to have converted to Christianity.

It’s enough to make you sick.

It’s enough to make you comfortable not being Christian.

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re: #527 SFGoth

I think Gingrich recently converted to Catholicism, didn’t he?

He’s a snake and an opportunist though in any case.

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re: #526 cenotaphium

No, that wasn’t the point. Let’s take Mr. E. Train’s comment as an example.

re: #518 Mr. E. Train

“Slapping is the final sanction against a woman’s bad behaviour. I’ve slapped

my girlfriend maybe 3 times..”

It just doesn’t sound good, right? To me, living in a culture where both are

equally frowned upon, there’s no real difference in the stories. Zero tolerance.

That was my point.

Well, as I said, I don’t see any acceptable use of spanking beyond potential self harm of a

child due to ignorance. So, I wouldn’t necessarily agree with E. Train. But yes, slapping

people behaving bad is stupid.

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spanking says more about the parents ignorance than it does about anything else

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I “got the belt” and the hairbrush, and the bar of Ivory soap, scraped against

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the teeth for extra punishment.

NOT how I would raise a child.

Nor, how my sister has raised hers.

And they are good kids.

I got the belt a few times and the open hand across the toochus too. Worked for me.

While many children do not (or cannot) understand the suffering of others, they all

understand the suffering of themselves.

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It’s enough to make you comfortable not being Christian.

Well, as I said, some branches of Christianity believe you are judged on what you did with

your life, and not which church you gave lipservice at.

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Bad analogy. Women are fully grown adults, children are not. No one is responsible for an

adults behavior other than that adult. A parent on the other hand is responsible for

inculcating the habits, rules, virtues and taboos that make up civilized behavior.

Also a switch to the backside is NOT the same as a slap to the face.

… dam this is running slow.

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spanking says more about the parents ignorance than it does about anything

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else

In your case, it says more about your grammar. I fly a lot and I cannot believe how bad

children have gotten. They are so overindulged in, they expect everything on demand and

when they don’t get it, the tantrums fly. You can’t reason with a 4 year old. A good, swift

pat on the butt works.

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thanks for the jab there sfgoth,you keep on swift patting on the butts of your children all

day

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In your case, it says more about your grammar. I fly a lot and I cannot believe

how bad children have gotten. They are so overindulged in, they expect

everything on demand and when they don’t get it, the tantrums fly. You can’t

reason with a 4 year old. A good, swift pat on the butt works.

It should be mentioned that if you are still using spanking when you can reason with the

child, that ain’t cool.

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Misogyny and homophobia. That’s why both of those are so prevalent over

there–when they aren’t expressing genocidal sentiments and posting prayer

lists.

Right. Prayer lists. Talk about cognitive dissonance but what can you expect. I don’t think

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himherit has said anything for a while there. Obviously embarrassed for keeping company

with those lowlifes but then again who knows.

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thanks for the jab there sfgoth,you keep on swift patting on the butts of your

children all day

You called my parents ignorant. I should let you get away with that? What? You just

realized how many people and their parents you just insulted?

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It should be mentioned that if you are still using spanking when you can reason

with the child, that ain’t cool.

That’s true, but I don’t think most of us are talking about kids of Bar Mitzvah age.

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Perhaps he’s right. After all, his side lost big back in 1865.

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re: #541 SFGoth

You called my parents ignorant. I should let you get away with that? What? You

just realized how many people and their parents you just insulted?

you should do as you please and i will call ignorance when i see it,i got the switch as well

,it was done out of ignorance.

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Perhaps I should be more clear. I do with mine as was done with me when I was a kid.

First strike: I was told not to do something and I was told why I shouldn’t do it.

Second strike: Same as First strike plus a restriction of some sort.

Third strike: Ok, now you’re just giving me the middle finger. Punishment is as above plus

a few good smacks on the ass. By the time you get to strike three you aren’t just being

unruly, you are being disrespectful and (more importantly) you are learning you can get

away with being disrespectful and breaking the rules of society.

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re: #545 Mr. E. Train

Perhaps I should be more clear. I do with mine as was done with me when I was

a kid.

First strike: I was told not to do something and I was told why I shouldn’t do it.

Second strike: Same as First strike plus a restriction of some sort.

Third strike: Ok, now you’re just giving me the middle finger. Punishment is as

above plus a few good smacks on the ass. By the time you get to strike three

you aren’t just being unruly, you are being disrespectful and (more importantly)

you are learning you can get away with being disrespectful and breaking the

rules of society.

what happens at the fourth strike? fifth?

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re: #542 SFGoth

That’s true, but I don’t think most of us are talking about kids of Bar Mitzvah

age.

Not even that age. By 6 years, or really after some time in school, you can pretty much

talk a kid out of most things. Or threaten, if they are being stubborn enough.

548 Gus 802 Wed, Oct 7, 2009 11:10:46pm reply

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Constructive engagement

Constructive engagement was the name given to the policy of the Reagan

Administration towards the apartheid regime in South Africa in the early 1980s.

It was promoted as an alternative to the economic sanctions and divestment

from South Africa demanded by the UN General Assembly and the international

anti-apartheid movement.

Encouraging South Africa

The Reagan Administration vetoed legislation from the United States Congress

and blocked attempts by the United Nations to impose sanctions and to isolate

South Africa. Instead, advocates of constructive engagement sought to use

incentives as a means of encouraging South Africa gradually to move away from

apartheid. The policy, echoed by the British government of Margaret Thatcher,

came under criticism as South African government repression of the black

population and anti-apartheid activists intensified. The policy’s architect,

Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Chester Crocker, designed it to

link the independence of South African–occupied Namibia to an easing of the

arms embargo against South Africa and the withdrawal of Cuban troops from

Angola. Author/journalist Christopher Hitchens blamed constructive

engagement and “the fearlessly soft attitude displayed by Chester Crocker

towards apartheid” for the ten-year delay in implementing United Nations

Security Council Resolution 435 and securing Namibia’s independence:

“Independence on these terms could have been won years ago if it were not for

Crocker’s procrastination and Reagan’s attempt to change the subject to the

presence of Cuban forces in Angola. Here again, the United States dogmatically

extended diplomatic recognition to one side only – South Africa’s. Here again,

without ‘neutral’ mediators American policy would have deservedly become the

victim of its own flagrant bias. An important participant was Bernt Carlsson, UN

Commissioner for Namibia, who worked tirelessly for free elections in the

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colony and tried to isolate the racists diplomatically.”

549 cenotaphium Wed, Oct 7, 2009 11:11:06pm reply

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re: #536 Mr. E. Train

Bad analogy. Women are fully grown adults, children are not. No one is

responsible for an adults behavior other than that adult. A parent on the other

hand is responsible for inculcating the habits, rules, virtues and taboos that

make up civilized behavior.

Also a switch to the backside is NOT the same as a slap to the face.

… dam this is running slow.

This is exactly what I was talking about in the original post at #493. If I tried to talk about

women’s rights in a country where it’s not a part of the culture or tradition, there’d be all

kinds of reasonable ideas behind why hitting women is okay.

Coming from a place of zero tolerance for hitting children, I’ve come to expect rebuttals

like yours. To me, they are as strange and off-putting as the ones in the above example.

Our reasoning is that while an adult is capable of defending themselves, or getting away

from an abuser – a child is all the more vulnerable. Saying it’s okay to hit children and not

adults is some bizarro land inversion.

The overarching point being that talking about right or wrong between cultures is

inherently very difficult.

As a point of comparison, when do you think a child becomes an adult (or just

“responsible for their behaviour”), and do you think there’s some objective point of

reference for it?

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re: #544 Boyo

you should do as you please and i will call ignorance when i see it,i got the

switch as well ,it was done out of ignorance.

I deserved to be spanked. Sorry your parents didn’t know which end was your ass.

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Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act

The Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act (Pub.L. 99-440, H.R. 4868) sponsored

by U.S. Representative Ron Dellums in 1972 was the first United States

anti-apartheid legislation. The act was initiated in reaction to the plight of

blacks in South Africa and demanded the end of apartheid. The legislation was

passed in 1986 and imposed sanctions against South Africa and stated five

preconditions for lifting the sanctions, including establishing a timetable for

the elimination of apartheid laws and the release of political prisoner Nelson

Mandela.

The legislation banned all new U.S. trade and investment in South Africa and

was a catalyst for similar sanctions in Europe and Japan. Direct air links were

also banned, including South African Airways flights to U.S. airports. The

withdrawal of operations from major corporations and the loss of confidence

by the global banking community caused South Africa’s economy to go into a

deep recession.

The act also required various U.S. departments and agencies to suppress funds

and assistance to the then pro-apartheid government.

President Ronald Reagan’s veto was overridden by the United States Congress

(by the Senate 78 to 21, the House by 313 to 83). This override marked the

first time in the 20th century that a president had a foreign policy veto

overridden.

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re: #550 SFGoth

I deserved to be spanked. Sorry your parents didn’t know which end was your

ass.

oh brother…

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re: #550 SFGoth

I deserved to be spanked. Sorry your parents didn’t know which end was your

ass.

What the hell? Bit over the line, don’t you think?

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what mentality is it that says “i deserved to be spanked” ..

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re: #549 cenotaphium

All of that aside, do you agree that spanking can be warranted in the case of a child

causing physical self harm to himself due to his own ignorance?

556 Mr. E. Train Wed, Oct 7, 2009 11:14:22pm reply

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re: #546 Boyo

Continue with strike 3. Eventually they go to live with uncle Lou out on a farm, boarding

school ect… In the rare case where reasoning+restrictions+spanking doesn’t work you

may be looking at a budding socio-path. If he’s incapable of obeying his parents he’s also

likely to disobey the law and will most likely end up in the juvenile legal system.

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re: #555 Dante41

All of that aside, do you agree that spanking can be warranted in the case of a

child causing physical self harm to himself due to his own ignorance?

Never hit children. Never hit women. Never strike first. It’s that simple to me.

I’m sure we can conjure up some scenarios where it doesn’t apply, just as we can imagine

a “ticking time bomb” scenario to justify torture. Doesn’t have any real world significance

to me.

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re: #555 Dante41

All of that aside, do you agree that spanking can be warranted in the case of a

child causing physical self harm to himself due to his own ignorance?

i am going to cause hurt to you because you caused hurt to yourself…bizarro world

stuff…

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Iran–Contra affair

The Iran–Contra affair (Persian: اﺮﺟﺎﻣ

لرﺎﻓ ﻣ

#&

1740

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ن , Spanish: caso

Irán-contras) was a political scandal in the United States which came to light in

November 1986, during the Reagan administration, in which senior US figures

agreed to facilitate the sale of arms to Iran, the subject of an arms embargo, to

secure the release of hostages and to fund Nicaraguan contras.

It began as an operation to improve U.S.-Iranian relations, wherein Israel would

ship weapons to a relatively moderate, politically influential group of Iranians;

the U.S. would then resupply Israel and receive the Israeli payment. The Iranian

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recipients promised to do everything in their power to achieve the release of six

U.S. hostages, who were being held by the Lebanese Shia Islamist group

Hezbollah, who were unknowingly connected to the Army of the Guardians of

the Islamic Revolution. The plan eventually deteriorated into an arms-for-

hostages scheme, in which members of the executive branch sold weapons to

Iran in exchange for the release of the American hostages. Large modifications

to the plan were devised by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North of the National

Security Council in late 1985, in which a portion of the proceeds from the

weapon sales was diverted to fund anti-Sandinista and anti-communist rebels,

or Contras, in Nicaragua. While President Ronald Reagan was a supporter of the

Contra cause, no evidence has been found showing that he authorized this

plan.

Several investigations ensued, including those by the United States Congress

and the three-man, Reagan-appointed Tower Commission. Neither found any

evidence that President Reagan himself knew of the extent of the multiple

programs. In the end, fourteen administration officials were charged with

crimes, and eleven convicted, including then-Secretary of Defense Caspar

Weinberger. They were all pardoned in the final days of the George H. W. Bush

presidency, who had been vice-president at the time of the affair.

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re: #557 cenotaphium

Never hit children. Never hit women. Never strike first. It’s that simple to me.

I’m sure we can conjure up some scenarios where it doesn’t apply, just as we

can imagine a “ticking time bomb” scenario to justify torture. Doesn’t have any

real world significance to me.

It is not the same as torture, dude. The point of spanking is for the child to realize doing

X means pain, without the child actually being injured. That is why you only use it when

they would hurt themselves doing X.

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re: #558 Boyo

i am going to cause hurt to you because you caused hurt to yourself…bizarro

world stuff…

No, if they already hurt themselves, they’ve learned their lesson. Horrifically and at great

cost, but they learned that doing X hurts. You want them to learn doing X hurts before

they injure themselves.

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and on that note you and i will agree to disagree dante.im with cenotaphium on this one.

goodnight.

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re: #562 Boyo

and on that note you and i will agree to disagree dante.im with cenotaphium on

this one.

goodnight.

Night, man.

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re: #474 Charles

re: #480 Gus 802

re: #477 Floral Giraffe

Coming back late here, but on the subject of Dobson and his quest against porn, I’d

completely forgotten that he was also on the notorious Meese Commission.

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Three of the commissioners are moral crusaders. Reverend Bruce Ritter, a

Franciscan priest and ardent foe of Times Square, is the founder of

Covenant House, a crisis center for runaways. As the vice-mayor and a

council-member of Scottsdale, Arizona, Diane D. Cusack urged citizens to

photograph patrons of the town’s only adult movie theater, copy down their

license-plate numbers, and turn over this “evidence” to police. And Dr. James C.

Dobson is a fundamentalist pediatrician with a syndicated right-wing radio

program, “Focus on the Family.”

and that name Bruce Ritter might ring some bells…

In December 1989, Ritter was accused by Kevin Kite, a former male prostitute

and pornographic actor, of having sexual relations after meeting him in New

Orleans and flying him to New York to live at Ritter’s expense. Several other

men came forward with similar stories. Additional allegations surfaced

concerning financial improprieties and administrative irregularities at the

agency. Charles Sennott, a reporter for the New York Post broke the story and

it became a tabloid sensation into the early months of 1990.[3] It also served as

one of the earliest and most highly publicized cases in the clergy sexual abuse

scandal that subsequently emerged within the American Catholic church. No

charges were filed by the district attorney Robert M. Morgenthau or state

attorney general Robert Abrams, but an internal investigation by Kroll and

Associates and the law firm of Cravath, Swaine & Moore found evidence that

Ritter did engage in at least questionable behavior and inapproprite activities

with Kite and other employees. Despite mounting a vigorous public relations

defense and denying any wrongdoing, Ritter was forced to resign from the

organization in February 1990.

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re: #291 Spare O’Lake

I am not offended, I just think it is infantile and stoops to their level.

Agree, although I’d call it ‘juvenile’ rather than ‘infantile.’ It’s worse than a waste of time –

it gives the stalkers exactly what they’re looking for – attention. To them, it’s an

indication that they matter.

It’s also unpleasantly reminiscent of Captain Bligh insisting that the flogging continue

until every stroke has been delivered, although the accused has long since expired.

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re: #156 Charles

I know. But some people seem to find it difficult to make that connection.

We’re talking about eliminating an amount of weight equivalent to two or three moderate

size suitcases, however, out of a take-off weight of maybe 300,000 kg. Maybe two

hundredths to a hundredth of a percent difference, by weight. For such a small delta, fuel

consumption is going to be linearly affected by weight, so this is also the expected

savings in fuel.

It doesn’t seem worth the trouble. And the negative publicity such efforts cause probably

causes more harm than otherwise.

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re: #566 SixDegrees

We’re talking about eliminating an amount of weight equivalent to two or three

moderate size suitcases, however, out of a take-off weight of maybe 300,000

kg. Maybe two hundredths to a hundredth of a percent difference, by weight.

For such a small delta, fuel consumption is going to be linearly affected by

weight, so this is also the expected savings in fuel.

It doesn’t seem worth the trouble. And the negative publicity such efforts cause

probably causes more harm than otherwise.

Exactly…63kg ~ 138lb’s…low side of one Average adult. Easier solution would be to pull

one addtional seat off the plane and that would save the weight of:

The person

The seat

The luggage

MUCH better savings than everyone taking a ‘pee’ before boarding…because you can

NEVER guarantee that EVERYONE had a full bladder to begin with.

Now, if you were to ask everyone to ‘evacuate’ as well before boarding, THEN you might

be onto something because we ALL know how full of $h!t most people are… 🙂

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