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LGF “private” thread and Does Irish Rose sing like this?

Posted by avideditor on October 6, 2009

It seems here attack on Zombie which is now removed caused Zombie to be banned from the probable junkie Charles Johnsons website. Here is the first part of the private thread.  To all those sickos out there still at LGF. Get out. Btw no comments there are private CJ is a lair, probably a junky, and a terrible web designer who is breaking the TOS of Paypal by using the info to expose people.

Here is the transcript of there “private” thread. It is pure insanity but funny IMHO. I in no way endorse  this trash.

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Ojoe Sun, Oct 4, 2009 2:47:06pm replyquote

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Lounge Lizards …

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William of Orange  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 2:48:08pm replyquote

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Hehehe!

My first lounge ever. Cheers, this round is on me.

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Udon Sun, Oct 4, 2009 2:49:39pm replyquote

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My first too. Hopefully it’ll be… Interesting. 😀

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 2:50:48pm replyquote

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Looks like Rachel Maddow has been reading LGF: Oct. 4: Ambassador Susan Rice, roundtable – Meet the Press- msnbc.com.

MS. MADDOW: I, I do think that there’s a little bit of reckoning that needs to happen on the right for Sarah Palin’s success. I mean, she was the vice presidential nominee, she is going to sell a kazillion books and she is the biggest brand name in Republican politics still right now. And she’s chose–the person who’s writing her book, her last–the last person who she co-authored a book with was called “Donkey Cons” and it was co-authored with a guy who’s widely believed to be and I believe him to be a white supremacist. So she’s chosen Lynn Vincent, who’s written a book with a white supremacist, to write her book, and she’s the biggest name in Republican politics.

MR. MURPHY: Oh, but, Rachel…

MS. MADDOW: And you can dismiss her and say she’s not going to be the nominee, but I do think the right needs to sort of answer for what’s happened to conservatism.

MR. MURPHY: But let me just say, I am a well-documented nonfan of Sarah Palin, at least as a national politician. I don’t know her personally. But that’s guilt by association stuff. That’s the cable stuff. That’s the problem.

MS. MADDOW: But why would you–you can pick anybody to be your ghostwriter.

MR. MURPHY: Sarah Palin’s a lot of things, but she’s not a white supremacist. And…

MS. MADDOW: You could–no, I don’t think she is. But when you can pick anybody, why would she pick somebody who’s associated with the League of the South, who said that Americans are revolted by the idea of having a black sister-in-law. I mean, she–this is who she picked to write her book.

MR. MURPHY: Yeah, but there’s…

MS. MADDOW: Why do you do that?

MR. MURPHY: That’s sort of guilt by association stuff, which I don’t know and it can–I–check it out.

MS. MADDOW: It’s guilt by choice. It’s guilt by choice.

GREGORY: OK.

MR. MURPHY: It is, is so, so not important to the central questions in the country right now. But that’s what cable TV has become, so I…

MS. MADDOW: Sarah Palin’s popularity is a central question in the Republican Party right now.

She even echoes my main point in the post I put up: that Palin could have chosen anyone to write this book, but chose an extreme religious right author who has collaborated with a white supremacist.

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William of Orange  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 2:51:51pm replyquote

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Great clip to enjoy.

Philip Glass – Pruitt Igoe.

Youtube Video


Here’s the fascinating story of a very expensive experiment called urban housing in the 1950’s. Seventeen years after the first resident got his keys all 33 flats were leveled.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

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William of Orange  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 2:53:23pm replyquote

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re: #4 Charles

Looks like Rachel Maddow has been reading LGF: Oct. 4: Ambassador Susan Rice, roundtable – Meet the Press- msnbc.com.


She even echoes my main point in the post I put up: that Palin could have chosen anyone to write this book, but chose an extreme religious right author who has collaborated with a white supremacist.

Are you going to post the video, if available?

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Ojoe Sun, Oct 4, 2009 2:53:51pm replyquote

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Two airplanes (not two dots)
Video ofSpitfire & Camel flying side by side, one flat out and one almost at stall.

you wanted something interesting …

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Racer X Sun, Oct 4, 2009 2:55:15pm replyquote

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Music is math.

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Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 2:57:03pm replyquote

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re: #4 Charles

She even echoes my main point in the post I put up: that Palin could have chosen anyone to write this book, but chose an extreme religious right author who has collaborated with a white supremacist.

I wonder if this means the story is getting legs.

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 2:57:33pm replyquote

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re: #6 William of Orange

Are you going to post the video, if available?

Yes, I’ll post the video a bit later.

It’s interesting how these TV pundits blatantly lift stuff from blogs without attribution.

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SixDegrees Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:00:55pm replyquote

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re: #9 Sharmuta

I wonder if this means the story is getting legs.

It’s getting pretty damn hard to ignore. The Birchers, neo-Nazis and other assorted flotsam and jetsam are getting more vocal and more explicit by the day.

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William of Orange  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:01:14pm replyquote

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re: #10 Charles

Yes, I’ll post the video a bit later.

It’s interesting how these TV pundits blatantly lift stuff from blogs without attribution.

True.

Seems blogs among themselves have more ethics in that way. Even John Amato does give kudos where they are due, as someone pointed out some topics ago.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:01:38pm replyquote

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re: #10 Charles

Get your information from one source, it is plagiarism. Get your information from many sources, it is called research.

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insert name here Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:01:55pm replyquote

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re: #7 Ojoe

Two airplanes (not two dots)
Video ofSpitfire & Camel flying side by side, one flat out and one almost at stall.

you wanted something interesting …

Sweet! And the Spitfire looks great.

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Racer X Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:03:11pm replyquote

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re: #7 Ojoe

Two airplanes (not two dots)
Video ofSpitfire & Camel flying side by side, one flat out and one almost at stall.

you wanted something interesting …

Amazing video – thanks for posting!

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:05:04pm replyquote

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Flippin’ Romo is his normal self today.

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William of Orange  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:05:25pm replyquote

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re: #15 Racer X

Amazing video – thanks for posting!

And the torque is amazing when he pulls the throttle. And the Camelflight wouldn’t be complete with a flying scarf!

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Thanos  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:05:35pm replyquote

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re: #10 Charles

Yes, I’ll post the video a bit later.

It’s interesting how these TV pundits blatantly lift stuff from blogs without attribution.

It starts with the papers, then they can if pressed just say they are repeating what’s in the news. There were articles about the Donkey Cons book, but you were the first to reveal the White Supremacist ties of Lynn’s co-author.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:06:15pm replyquote

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re: #7 Ojoe

Two airplanes (not two dots)
Video ofSpitfire & Camel flying side by side, one flat out and one almost at stall.

you wanted something interesting …

It doesn’t look like a beagle in the cockpit, but that’s certainly Snoopy’s scarf!

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Thanos  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:07:08pm replyquote

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Hopefully you will call her out for being on a network that hosts PB as well.

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Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:08:23pm replyquote

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re: #11 SixDegrees

It’s getting pretty damn hard to ignore. The Birchers, neo-Nazis and other assorted flotsam and jetsam are getting more vocal and more explicit by the day.

Yes they are. There’s been a recent uptick in neo-nazi rallies from Minneapolis to California to Illinois. This is a really ugly turn for the right, and it’s shocking how quickly it’s come about.

And that it would be found with a supposed paragon of right-wing virtue- it’s quite alarming.

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William of Orange  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:08:31pm replyquote

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I did witness once a formation of:
One Spitfire
One F16 jetfigter
One B24 bomber
and a Dakota.

Now that’s a formation!

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insanity police Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:08:53pm replyquote

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Happy Sunday!

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soxfan4life  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:09:27pm replyquote

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re: #16 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Flippin’ Romo is his normal self today.

Did you expect any different?

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cenotaphium Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:10:02pm replyquote

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That video and tune was nice. Made me think of Múm.

Green Grass of Tunnel

Youtube Video

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insert name here Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:10:20pm replyquote

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re: #22 William of Orange

I did witness once a formation of:
One Spitfire
One F16 jetfigter
One B24 bomber
and a Dakota.

Now that’s a formation!

It must have lasted for a millisecond (or they were all on the ground).

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wlewisiii Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:10:20pm replyquote

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re: #2 William of Orange

Hehehe!

My first lounge ever. Cheers, this round is on me.

I was thinking the same thing. A wee dram, anyone?

William

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:10:33pm replyquote

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re: #24 soxfan4life

Hope springs eternal…

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iceweasel Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:11:44pm replyquote

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FWIW, I do think Maddow is reading LGF. There was a piece she did sometime in the last 3 weeks or so that immediately reminded me of a post from here. I think it was on Beck but I’m not sure.

I have to take off for a while but I’ll see if I can find that other Maddow piece.

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soxfan4life  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:11:50pm replyquote

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re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The Patriots decided to score some touchdowns when they got inside the red zone at last. And against a pretty good defense.

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Thanos  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:11:57pm replyquote

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re: #21 Sharmuta

Yes they are. There’s been a recent uptick in neo-nazi rallies from Minneapolis to California to Illinois. This is a really ugly turn for the right, and it’s shocking how quickly it’s come about.

And that it would be found with a supposed paragon of right-wing virtue- it’s quite alarming.

One of my favorite stories of the year was the “Happy Birthday Hitler” Inland Empire Skinhead sweep

[Link: http://www.insidesocal.com…%5D

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Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:12:10pm replyquote

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Racist Stalker McCain posted a very long winded tome over at HotAir about the Bill Sparkman killing. No facts or insight. It’s like he’s writing about his vacation.

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insanity police Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:12:45pm replyquote

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Just got back from seeing Zombieland It was excellent.

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insanity police Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:13:33pm replyquote

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re: #32 Killgore Trout

Who needs facts when you have venom, hatred, and axes to grind with murder victims?

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Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:13:36pm replyquote

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re: #33 insanity police

Yeah, it looks like fun. I’ll probably catch it this week.

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HelloDare Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:13:48pm replyquote

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re: #7 Ojoe

Two airplanes (not two dots)
Video ofSpitfire & Camel flying side by side, one flat out and one almost at stall.

you wanted something interesting …

To slow it down, looks like the Spitfire had the canopy open and the flaps deployed.

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Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:14:35pm replyquote

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re: #34 insanity police

I think he left out the gay speculation in this newest piece. Not sure, I just skimmed.

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William of Orange  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:14:54pm replyquote

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re: #26 insert name here

Nope. Way up in the sky, though like the spitfire in this clip, the F16 was also close to stalling speed. Nose almost in an upward angle.

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William of Orange  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:15:58pm replyquote

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For me it’s time for shut-eye. Way past midnight over here.

Where’s the bartender?

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John Neverbend Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:16:28pm replyquote

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The earlier discussion on how creationists constantly feel the need to reassure themselves that their peculiarly refracted worldview has not been negated by advances in neo-Darwinism reminded me of certain aspects of an old sci-fi story written by a British astronomer, Sir Fred Hoyle. Hoyle became well known for his work with Thomas Gold and Hermann Bondi on the steady-state theory of the universe, a rival to the big-bang theory, but now supported by only a small number of scientists. He made a point of taking on controversial scientific positions, and I remember hearing a lecture from him about quasars and why they were, in his opinion, objects inside our own galaxy and not at cosmological distances.

One of his stories is The Black Cloud, describing an encounter between humanity and a super-intelligent extra-terrestrial life form. During the encounter, the alien communicates with the earth and agrees to transfer some of its knowledge to a human through an elaborate array of lights to encode messages with high information content. The first human dies shortly after exposure and the second human to go through the process stays alive long enough to reveal why the first human died. The problem was that suddenly, a huge amount of unfamiliar and contradictory (that is to a human world view) information was put into his head, side by side with his familiar world view. Try as he might, he kept running into contradictions and the resulting brain storms quite literally killed him, even though he was following the rule that when the new information contradicted the old, he should reject the old. The difference between this hapless individual and creationists is that he was willing to accept the new ideas which had to be right. The creationists take the mentally more relaxing route of not listening to anything that contradicts them, thereby avoiding any brain storms.

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Ojoe Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:16:31pm replyquote

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re: #36 HelloDare

Yes, and high angle of attack. Nervy pilots, both of them.

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John Neverbend Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:17:27pm replyquote

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re: #29 iceweasel

FWIW, I do think Maddow is reading LGF. There was a piece she did sometime in the last 3 weeks or so that immediately reminded me of a post from here. I think it was on Beck but I’m not sure.

I have to take off for a while but I’ll see if I can find that other Maddow piece.

I noticed that Brooks described Beck and others as loons.

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John Neverbend Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:18:13pm replyquote

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re: #33 insanity police

Just got back from seeing Zombieland It was excellent.

Is it really funny?

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insanity police Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:18:23pm replyquote

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re: #37 Killgore Trout

What a creep job. Why is he taking pictures at the scene of the murder? Maybe if he didn’t bash and smear the victim that would be less reprehensible.

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insanity police Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:19:40pm replyquote

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re: #43 John Neverbend

Is it really funny?

It is really funny at times. The Bill Murray cameo is great. Good Zombie killing action too.

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former_secret_agent Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:22:21pm replyquote

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Stealing from blogs is a lot like welfare. It’s easier than working.

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TheMatrix31 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:25:04pm replyquote

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Texans win, it’s a good day.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:25:07pm replyquote

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re: #26 insert name here

It must have lasted for a millisecond (or they were all on the ground).

All of these prop planes will easily exceed the F-16’s minimum control speed of about 130mph.
Maximum speeds (from Bill Gunston’s Warplanes of the Second World War):
Spitfire IX (version shown) 409 mph (about 330 at low level)
B-24 (most versions) 280 mph (about 220 at low level)
Dakota (C-47) 230 mph (not much lower at low altitude)

Aircraft like the B-24 and Spitfire achieved higher speeds at high altitude because their highly supercharged engines allowed them to maintain near sea-level power at high altitudes while taking advantage of the lower drag inherent in the lower air density. The C-47’s engines (otherwise the same as the B-24’s) were not so highly supercharged and did not benefit so much from high altitude.

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Cato the Elder Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:25:44pm replyquote

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On the subject of the last thread, I’d like to raise a point that rankles every time I hear it.

“I’ve got nothing against faith or believers – it’s organized religion I can’t stand.”

Well, how should faith and believers exist in the world – in a vacuum?

Yeah, some might like that.

How does science get “done”? How about economics? Engineering?

“I’ve got nothing against cars or drivers – it’s assembly-line factories I can’t abide.”

I know there are people who think all of the above except religion have their uses, and therefore it should get along without infrastructure, if it has to exist at all, damn it.

Some people actually feel that way about cars, though. The Amish, for example. Or some bikers I’ve met.

Whatevs.

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:25:47pm replyquote

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RS McCain just posted about the Rachel Maddow clip. He says Maddow got her facts wrong … but he doesn’t bother to say exactly HOW she got her facts wrong.

Quote:

There is no obligation for me to speak a word in my own defense.

Well, isn’t that convenient.

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Thanos  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:26:55pm replyquote

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re: #49 Cato the Elder

You’ve just made the best argument against Pat’s vid that I heard.

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William of Orange  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:27:07pm replyquote

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Still here. Parting gift from me to you. And no, I’m not the author of this video but I thought you would like this one. I’m a big fan of mash-ups and this one is a true grm. It’s a mix between Black Eyed Peas and Mary J. Blige. And to top it off, this video is Will.i.am aproved!!

Viewed less than 500 times, can you believe it??

Youtube Video

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insert name here Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:28:01pm replyquote

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re: #48 Shiplord Kirel

All of these prop planes will easily exceed the F-16’s minimum control speed of about 130mph.

Thanks! For some odd reason, I’d been picturing the Sopwith Camel in the group, too. Doh!

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:29:19pm replyquote

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Hey, Technorati says LGF is worth $1,447,480.56.

Anybody interesting in buying? I’ll give you 10% off.

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cenotaphium Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:29:26pm replyquote

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re: #49 Cato the Elder

Well, how should faith and believers exist in the world – in a vacuum?

Yeah, some might like that.

How does science get “done”? How about economics? Engineering?

I thought it was the reaction against the “shield” of religious people – that is, “religion is a personal belief and as such cannot be attacked”. Well, it’s a damned sight easier to explain how you can attack organized religion and the political power it wields.
As for religion getting something (what?) done and needing to do so in an organized form.. I don’t even know where to start with that.

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cenotaphium Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:31:02pm replyquote

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re: #54 Charles

Hey, Technorati says LGF is worth $1,447,480.56.

Anybody interesting in buying? I’ll give you 10% off.

Now.. how do they come up with a sum? Is that number of visitors and advertising potential or something?

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JRCMYP Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:32:09pm replyquote

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re: #13 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Get your information from one source, it is plagiarism. Get your information from many sources, it is called research.

Please. The idea that she could have been more careful in her choice is not exactly a huge mental leap.

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JRCMYP Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:33:52pm replyquote

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re: #10 Charles

Yes, I’ll post the video a bit later.

It’s interesting how these TV pundits blatantly lift stuff from blogs without attribution.

Charles I really don’t think it’s a huge leap. Unless the white supremacist angle is really that ‘unknown’.

That said, you should contact her. She might be curious to hear your POV.

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Cato the Elder Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:33:57pm replyquote

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re: #55 cenotaphium

As for religion getting something (what?) done and needing to do so in an organized form.. I don’t even know where to start with that.

I don’t doubt you for a minute there.

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swamprat Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:34:52pm replyquote

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re: #54 Charles

Hey, Technorati says LGF is worth $1,447,480.56.

Anybody interesting in buying? I’ll give you 10% off.

So that means it has a street value of 5 mill!

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cenotaphium Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:36:28pm replyquote

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re: #59 Cato the Elder

I don’t doubt you for a minute there.

I think you’re reading in some malice or sarcasm into a lot of my posts that just isn’t there. Or maybe you’re just very unhelpful?

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insanity police Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:36:31pm replyquote

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re: #50 Charles

RS McCain just posted about the Rachel Maddow clip. He says Maddow got her facts wrong … but he doesn’t bother to say exactly HOW she got her facts wrong.

Quote:

Well, isn’t that convenient.

In his newest post RSM links to an another blog called Saberpoint. Saberpoint’s post is called: “Is Rachel Maddow a Crack Whore? Some Say She Is, and I Believe She Is.” It’s a bunch of verbal diarrhea.

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Mich-again Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:37:16pm replyquote

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I’ve posted this snip before from RSM’s blog..

The Sarah Palin autobiography will be go on sale before Thanksgiving. Hey, when we’re doing with this Kentucky trip, how about y’all sending me to Anchorage. Lynn Vincent tells me that Chuck Heath is a super-cool guy. Team Palin won’t let me talk to Sarah, but I’d really like to meet Chuck.

I wonder if anyone has asked “Team Palin” why they won’t let RSM interview Sarah and I wonder what the answer would be.

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:37:23pm replyquote

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re: #62 insanity police

In his newest post RSM links to an another blog called Saberpoint. Saberpoint’s post is called: “Is Rachel Maddow a Crack Whore? Some Say She Is, and I Believe She Is.” It’s a bunch of verbal diarrhea.

Yeah, that’s who he recommends to refute Maddow’s (ahem … my) points. Telling, isn’t it?

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Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:37:52pm replyquote

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re: #62 insanity police

In his newest post RSM links to an another blog called Saberpoint. Saberpoint’s post is called: “Is Rachel Maddow a Crack Whore? Some Say She Is, and I Believe She Is.” It’s a bunch of verbal diarrhea.

That would be smear tactics, and nothing factual whatsoever. FAIL, Stacy, fail.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:38:01pm replyquote

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re: #53 insert name here

Thanks! For some odd reason, I’d been picturing the Sopwith Camel in the group, too. Doh!

Yep. At an alleged 115 mph maximum, the Camel would have been left far behind, if not blown right out of the sky by all the turbulence. It is hard to believe today that teenagers routinely fought a war in these contraptions at 20,000 feet, without oxygen or parachutes.

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Ojoe Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:38:20pm replyquote

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re: #54 Charles

If there are 20,000 registered lizards that’s about $72.00 per lizard.

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:38:51pm replyquote

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That dimwit at Saberpoint emailed me last week, by the way:

I hate the way you continually lie about Stacy McCain being a “white
supremacist.” You are worse than a liar, you are one sick fuck and you need a good lawsuit for libel.

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Cato the Elder Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:39:19pm replyquote

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re: #61 cenotaphium

I think you’re reading in some malice or sarcasm into a lot of my posts that just isn’t there. Or maybe you’re just very unhelpful?

No malice, just self-admitted ignorance. And I’m not in the mood to try to teach you what religion does or why it needs doing.

Maybe when I get back from the movies… ;^)

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Big Steve Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:40:47pm replyquote

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re: #68 Charles

That dimwit at Saberpoint emailed me last week, by the way:

Well now that you have a million dollar Blog maybe you attract high price legal talent to defend you.

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insanity police Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:41:44pm replyquote

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re: #68 Charles

He’s a stalker. It is obvious by looking at his blog.

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Gus 802 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:41:48pm replyquote

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re: #64 Charles

Yeah, that’s who he recommends to refute Maddow’s (ahem … my) points. Telling, isn’t it?

Very telling. Looks like the adjutant lowlife, Donald Douglas, whom RS McCain hat tipped, links to an equally irrational screed against LGF.

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cenotaphium Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:42:18pm replyquote

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re: #69 Cato the Elder

No malice, just self-admitted ignorance. And I’m not in the mood to try to teach you what religion does or why it needs doing.

Unhelpful it is then.
Especially annoying when I’m responding to your points.

What movie are you going to see?

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Flyers1974 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:43:01pm replyquote

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re: #49 Cato the Elder

I’ve heard many people say something similiar to “I’m not into organized religion.” I’ve never asked anyone saying this to explain further, but my guess is the person isn’t religious but isn’t an athiest either. Kind of like saying “I’m spiritual but not religious.”

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Gus 802 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:43:03pm replyquote

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re: #72 Gus 802

Very telling. Looks like the adjutant lowlife, Donald Douglas, whom RS McCain hat tipped, links to an equally irrational screed against LGF.

That is, the screed that Donald Douglas linked is at Saber Point.

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Irish Rose  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:44:55pm replyquote

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re: #4 Charles

Good afternoon, lizards.

This was a terrible mistake on Palins’ part, and it’s going to cost her dearly.

Question for you, Charles… what’s your personal take on this? Do you believe that she subscribes to this ideology, or is she simply a poor judge of character? A case of bad vetting, perhaps?

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The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:46:37pm replyquote

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Have you heard a really cool jazz version of a great old hippie anthem today? Yes? Well, here’s one that’s cooler:

Youtube Video

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Irish Rose  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:46:59pm replyquote

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re: #54 Charles

Hey, Technorati says LGF is worth $1,447,480.56.

Anybody interesting in buying? I’ll give you 10% off.

No thanks, hell is on earth and I’ve already done my time.

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The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:48:14pm replyquote

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re: #74 Flyers1974

I’ve heard many people say something similiar to “I’m not into organized religion.” I’ve never asked anyone saying this to explain further, but my guess is the person isn’t religious but isn’t an athiest either. Kind of like saying “I’m spiritual but not religious.”

I translate it as “I’d rather just lounge about in a comfortable, undemanding, agnostic mood of self-congratulation.” Then they wonder why so much of American life is incomprehensible to them.

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:49:21pm replyquote

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re: #76 Irish Rose

Good afternoon, lizards.

This was a terrible mistake on Palins’ part, and it’s going to cost her dearly.

Question for you, Charles… what’s your personal take on this? Do you believe that she subscribes to this ideology, or is she simply a poor judge of character? A case of bad vetting, perhaps?

I haven’t seen evidence that Palin herself is a white supremacist. Just a religious extremist, anti-science, anti-choice, a quitter, and not very bright.

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PT Barnum Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:49:23pm replyquote

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re: #49 Cato the Elder

But faith is an individual choice. It is only when people feel the need to come together to define what does not constitute their faith that organized religion arises.

The creation of organized belief systems by definition requires that some beliefs are designated as orthodox and some get designated as heresy.

The problem is that most organized religions can’t leave well enough alone and define things only for themselves, but feel the need to impose those beliefs on other people who aren’t in the group. This is where religion and politics start to merge.

The religious right feels oppressed precisely because they aren’t being allowed to turn this country into a theocracy. God help us if they do.

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Thanos  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:49:45pm replyquote

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The latest in the outrage-osphere is a link boycott of Politico because they enforced their trademark against “collegepolitico.com”. Think I’ll add them.

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celticdragon  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:49:55pm replyquote

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re: #80 Charles

Pretty much.

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celticdragon  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:51:13pm replyquote

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I finally finished my paper on Network Centric Warfare. What’s cooking tonight?

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Thanos  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:52:25pm replyquote

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re: #80 Charles

I haven’t seen evidence that Palin herself is a white supremacist. Just a religious extremist, anti-science, anti-choice, a quitter, and not very bright.

I agree, I think she’s just politically naive and likes the religious lean of her writer’s blog.

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insanity police Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:52:57pm replyquote

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Odd comment under RSM’s post:

“John from LI said…

I would like to take this moment to point out to Rachel that Sarah Palin’s husband, Todd, is not a white man.

You think the fact that Sarah Palin herself is in an interracial relationship would come up more.”

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Ojoe Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:53:13pm replyquote

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re: #80 Charles

“Dang.”

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arethusa Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:54:23pm replyquote

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re: #86 insanity police

Is that supposed to refer to Todd Palin’s Inuit heritage?

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:55:53pm replyquote

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re: #85 Thanos

I agree, I think she’s just politically naive and likes the religious lean of her writer’s blog.

Still … it’s extremely revealing that she didn’t vet Lynn Vincent’s past associations before picking her as ghostwriter, for the book that’s supposed to put her on the political map. As I wrote in the original post, this isn’t just bad judgment, it’s rancid, reeking, abominable judgment.

There are thousands of writers who wouldn’t have had these kinds of problems. She picked the one who wrote a book with a white supremacist. Oh yeah. Let’s make her President!

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insanity police Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:56:00pm replyquote

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re: #88 arethusa

Not sure.

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insanity police Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:56:37pm replyquote

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re: #89 Charles

Still … it’s extremely revealing that she didn’t vet Lynn Vincent’s past associations before picking her as ghostwriter, for the book that’s supposed to put her on the political map. As I wrote in the original post, this isn’t just bad judgment, it’s rancid, reeking, abominable judgment.

There are thousands of writers who wouldn’t have had these kinds of problems. She picked the one who wrote a book with a white supremacist. Oh yeah. Let’s make her President!

Or she vetted and didn’t care. But I don’t know.

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PT Barnum Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:57:40pm replyquote

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re: #86 insanity police

I’m not sure she knows it, though… /

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:58:26pm replyquote

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re: #88 arethusa

Is that supposed to refer to Todd Palin’s Inuit heritage?

Presumably, yes. If this person is suggesting that Sarah Palin is allowed to hang around with white supremacists because her husband is Inuit, I suggest that he get another think.

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insanity police Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:59:24pm replyquote

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re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist

“I’m not racist…some of my best friends are ___ (fill in the blank)”

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PT Barnum Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:59:58pm replyquote

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re: #94 insanity police

“I’m not racist…some of my best friends are ___ (fill in the blank)”

I’m not racist..I hate everybody

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:01:06pm replyquote

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I’m having a serious attack of cognitive dissonance — Markos Moulitsas linking to LGF in his Twitter feed.

[Link: twitter.com…]

I need a Steinlager.

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Thanos  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:01:23pm replyquote

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re: #89 Charles

I agree with you there. Naive and politics just never mix well.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:01:51pm replyquote

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re: #94 insanity police

“I’m not racist…some of my best friends are ___ (fill in the blank)”

My husband’s part Cherokee. If I had realized that this freed me up to collaborate with racists, I…still wouldn’t have done it.

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insanity police Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:02:39pm replyquote

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re: #96 Charles

I’m having a serious attack of cognitive dissonance — Markos Moulitsas linking to LGF in his Twitter feed.

[Link: twitter.com…]

I need a Steinlager.

Back handed “compliment” from the look of it.

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Gus 802 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:03:16pm replyquote

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On Sarah Palin.

Never has so much been written about a political figure that has accomplished so little in her political career. Her only defining moments were as a city council member and mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, population 5,469. She resigned, quit, her governorship of Alaska due to pressure for legal challenges and alleged ethics violations of which she called “frivolous.”

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Flyers1974 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:03:21pm replyquote

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re: #79 The Sanity Inspector

I translate it as “I’d rather just lounge about in a comfortable, undemanding, agnostic mood of self-congratulation.” Then they wonder why so much of American life is incomprehensible to them.

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celticdragon  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:03:31pm replyquote

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re: #85 Thanos

Naive?

No. She is politically amoral and utterly Machiavellian.
Read the accounts of what she did to a personal friend of hers when she decided she wanted his job as mayor.

“John Stein, the mayor at the time, had helped Palin get into politics a few years earlier. He had no idea that he was about to become the first casualty of her ambitions. He doesn’t begrudge her running against him — he had been in office for nine years — but he says she changed the stakes when she sought outside endorsements and injected hot-button politics into a small-town race. “It was always a nonpartisan job,” he says. “But with her, the state GOP came in and started affecting the race.”


She accused him of shacking up with his wife and that the marriage was fake since Stein’s wife had not changed her last name.

* Former Wasilla Mayor John Stein says he mentored Palin during her 1994 run for City Council. Then she decided to challenge him and run for Mayor. “Things got very ugly,’ Naomi Tigner, a friend of the Steins, told Salon.com. “Sarah became very mean-spirited.” Palin allies suggested she would he “Wasilla’s first Christian mayor,” even though Stein is Protestant. Palin allies also whispered that Stein and his wife – who hadn’t taken his name – were not legally wed. “We actually had to produce our marriage certificate,’ Stein said. His wife died in 2005 without ever reconciling with Palin. “I had a hand in creating Sarah, but in the end she blew me out of the water,” Stein told Salon. “Sarah’s on a mission, she’s an opportunist.”

Carney told Salon that Palin – without council authorization — spent more than $50,000 in city funds to redecorate her office. “I braced her about it,” he said. “I told her it was against the law to make such a large expenditure without the council taking a vote. She said, ‘I’m the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can’t.”


There’s more…much of the state GOP hated her guts. She is many things but naive isn’t one of them.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:04:19pm replyquote

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re: #97 Thanos

I agree with you there. Naive and politics just never mix well.

I think that a lot of Palin’s approach has depending on promoting a kind of cultural simplicity, or, if you will, simplemindedness. I think this is highly dangerous when it comes to dealing with white supremacists, since a lot of their schtick has to do with ‘God, country, Our Families, Our Children…”

If you don’t look hard and close, you can be suckered. Of course, this is why smart pols look hard and close.

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Flyers1974 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:04:53pm replyquote

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re: #101 Flyers1974

I wrote something in post #101 but its gone. Weird.

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PT Barnum Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:05:38pm replyquote

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re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist

How much of Palin’s schtick is promoting cultural simplicity because that’s what she believes and how much is promoting it because that’s the red meat the rubes will eat up?

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:05:42pm replyquote

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re: #104 Flyers1974

I wrote something in post #101 but its gone. Weird.

Preview, grasshopper, preview.

You left off a closing > from the blockquote tag.

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The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:06:07pm replyquote

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re: #95 PT Barnum

I’m not racist..I hate everybody

I’m not a racist. I’m a teenagerist.
/me at work, some daysre: #96 Charles

I’m having a serious attack of cognitive dissonance — Markos Moulitsas linking to LGF in his Twitter feed.

[Link: twitter.com…]

I need a Steinlager.

Screw him. (hyperlink not necessary, I trust.)

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PT Barnum Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:06:21pm replyquote

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re: #104 Flyers1974

Were you using blockquote? I had a post get lost that way the other night

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:06:45pm replyquote

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re: #105 PT Barnum

How much of Palin’s schtick is promoting cultural simplicity because that’s what she believes and how much is promoting it because that’s the red meat the rubes will eat up?

If I knew that…

I can never tell how much of this shit is cynical, and how much merely stupid.

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Thanos  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:07:50pm replyquote

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re: #102 celticdragon

I’m from Alaska, I’ve seen the whole thing play out, let’s just say for an Alaskan she’s pretty naive.

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Gus 802 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:08:49pm replyquote

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re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

If I knew that…

I can never tell how much of this shit is cynical, and how much merely stupid.

It’s a lot like “The Candidate.” Maybe it’s her natural state but I can see whenever she is surrounded by political consultants that the main theme would be to play up her “folksy wisdom” or in this case “folksy populism.”

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Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:09:32pm replyquote

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I’m starting to find the excuse made for the Bircher newsletter on Palin’s desk to be less and less believable.

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Irish Rose  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:09:54pm replyquote

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re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist

I think this is highly dangerous when it comes to dealing with white supremacists, since a lot of their schtick has to do with ‘God, country, Our Families, Our Children…”

If you don’t look hard and close, you can be suckered.

There are a lot of clueless people out there in the right-wing blogosphere who really need to take this comment to heart, brush off the warm fuzzies, and re-evaluate who they’re rubbing shoulders with.

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Flyers1974 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:10:05pm replyquote

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re: #79 The Sanity Inspector

I translate it as “I’d rather just lounge about in a comfortable, undemanding, agnostic mood of self-congratulation.” Then they wonder why so much of American life is incomprehensible to them.

I have nothing against agnostics, being one myself. My objection to phrases like “I’m spiritual, not religious,” and the like is that I don’t know what it means. I’ve never met anyone admitting to being religious, but not spiritual for example.

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Thanos  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:10:15pm replyquote

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Just noticed that Breitbart did an interview on the Savage show…

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rwmofo Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:11:05pm replyquote

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I don’t hate Palin, so…

TD Broncos!

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Thanos  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:12:38pm replyquote

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re: #112 Sharmuta

I’m starting to find the excuse made for the Bircher newsletter on Palin’s desk to be less and less believable.

You could be right – birchers/Independence party types are all over Alaska, but it’s more “anti-government/anti-tax/property rights” oriented than racist from my experience. I think I’ve posted the Joe Vogler stuff before, it’s old hat since the election’s over.

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sattv4u2 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:12:42pm replyquote

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re: #96 Charles

I’m having a serious attack of cognitive dissonance — Markos Moulitsas linking to LGF in his Twitter feed.

[Link: twitter.com…]

I need a Steinlager.

Between this and the site itself, isn’t it like the 3rd time in less than 2 weeks?

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Gus 802 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:12:48pm replyquote

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Trailer: “Bob Roberts”

Youtube Video

Another fictional “making of a candidate.”

Vote First, Ask Questions Later

[Warning: Video clip contains Tim Robbins. ;)]

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Flyers1974 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:12:59pm replyquote

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re: #106 Charles

Preview, grasshopper, preview.

You left off a closing > from the blockquote tag.

Thank you. I’ve got a weird habit of doing that.

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insanity police Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:14:23pm replyquote

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Goodnight everyone. Have a great week.

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trendsurfer Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:17:11pm replyquote

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re: #96 Charles

Years ago, my neighbor used to buy Steinlager for football saturday at his house. But only when it was on sale at Publix. Personally, I only buy Newcastle or Guinness; I’m an ale man–it’s supposed to be good for the heart. 🙂

Steinlager was pretty good though.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:17:49pm replyquote

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re: #105 PT Barnum

How much of Palin’s schtick is promoting cultural simplicity because that’s what she believes and how much is promoting it because that’s the red meat the rubes will eat up?


It’s a strange irony that Palin and her eccentric clan have become the leading exponents of “plain folks” propaganda.

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debutaunt Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:19:46pm replyquote

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re: #54 Charles

Hey, Technorati says LGF is worth $1,447,480.56.

Anybody interesting in buying? I’ll give you 10% off.

Is the grief extra?

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swamprat Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:20:27pm replyquote

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re: #96 Charles

You both like Condell, I bet.

No one has seen Kestrel3000 and Conservative Moonbat in the same room together.

Only Nixon could go to China.

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rwmofo Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:21:21pm replyquote

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Broncos 17 – Cowboys 10.

…and I live in TX now. Hee hee (the way MJ sang it). I’ll only rub it in a little at the office.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:21:33pm replyquote

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I’m having a hard time posting from Opera here. I tried several times with the last message but kept getting the “duplicate comment” box, except for twice when hitting “post this message” took me to the Amazon Kindle page. I finally opened Internet Exploder, closed and re-opened it so the stupid (and entirely unresponsive) Active X warning would go away, then logged onto LGF again to finally post.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:21:52pm replyquote

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re: #123 Shiplord Kirel

It’s a strange irony that Palin and her eccentric clan have become the leading exponents of “plain folks” propaganda.

I’m always suspicious of people who are such plain folks that everyone else is an elitist who can’t understand them.

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iceweasel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:23:02pm replyquote

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re: #119 Gus 802

Trailer: “Bob Roberts”


Another fictional “making of a candidate.”

Vote First, Ask Questions Later

[Warning: Video clip contains Tim Robbins. ;)]

That movie only gets more relevant, not less.

Wall Street Rap:

Youtube Video

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Flyers1974 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:25:37pm replyquote

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re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m always suspicious of people who are such plain folks that everyone else is an elitist who can’t understand them.

You beat me to that one. I would think a governor cannot be “plain folk.”

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wlewisiii Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:26:37pm replyquote

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re: #81 PT Barnum


The religious right feels oppressed precisely because they aren’t being allowed to turn this country into a theocracy. God help us if they do.

The 2nd Amendment – keeping church and state separate since 1791.

William

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debutaunt Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:26:56pm replyquote

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re: #129 iceweasel

I have posted an apology to you and any others I have offended. It’s at the end of the Onion thread. I’ll repost here shortly.

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debutaunt Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:28:25pm replyquote

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I would like to address an issue that came up late last Saturday afternoon. A number of lizards were offended and angered by what they saw as my laughter at and seeming agreement with what another lizard said. I refer to a now banned lizard who wrote with a humorous, heavy Russian accent. I came into a thread without knowing what had preceded and I laughed at the way this lizard said things and didn’t even notice what he was talking about. I laughed and shut down my computer to have dinner and enjoy the evening.

On the next day I was unable to log in and discovered my account had been blocked. I looked back to see that had happened and discovered that I had been accused of agreeing and laughing about the idea of shooting other lizards. This just isn’t true. I laughed at the way he said things. I’m sorry that people believed I would agree to anything like that and want everyone to know I never would do that. I regret any troll-like comments I have made. Please accept my apology.

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Gus 802 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:28:51pm replyquote

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re: #129 iceweasel

That movie only gets more relevant, not less.

Wall Street Rap:

[Video]

I think so as we see the increasing anti-intellectualism on all fronts including the proverbial “dumbing down of America.” Although in Palin’s case I don’t know who would be foolish enough to invest in the “remaking” of Sarah Palin which is what it would take. Especially after quitting for what she called frivolous ethics charges. It’s almost like show business with her case.

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The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:30:44pm replyquote

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Brian Micklethwait at Samizdata brings the hammer down on the entertainment industry degenerates defending Roman Polanski.

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Thanos  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:30:48pm replyquote

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Fox picks up Imus

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com…]

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Irish Rose  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:32:17pm replyquote

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I have a giant, industrial sized bottle of extra-strength Tylenol on the kitchen counter.

Want some?

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sattv4u2 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:33:45pm replyquote

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re: #137 Irish Rose

I have a giant, industrial sized bottle of extra-strength Tylenol on the kitchen counter.

Want some?

want some what

Tylenol ,,, or kitchen counter!?!?!

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wiffersnapper Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:34:16pm replyquote

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Any other football fan lizards out there?

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swamprat Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:34:32pm replyquote

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re: #136 Thanos
We have the Left.
We have the right.
We need a 3rd classification;
Loudmouthed And Shallow.
O’Reilly
Fox
Hannity

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debutaunt Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:35:00pm replyquote

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re: #139 wiffersnapper

Any other football fan lizards out there?

Just watched the 49ers win.

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sattv4u2 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:35:21pm replyquote

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re: #141 debutaunt

Just watched the 49ers win.

And the Cowboys lose!

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Boondock St. Bender Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:38:35pm replyquote

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re: #133 debutaunt

Those things happen(lord knows i’ve been guilty of jumping in w/o reading the whole thing.)
people here generally get to know what posters are about.I’m sure any misunderstandings will be patched up.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:39:07pm replyquote

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Time for another Dredge report.

Is the Fever Swamp going peacenik? Not exactly but we are seeing far more defeatist and anti-war comments at places like Free Republic, as on this thread about the deaths of eight US soldiers in a battle in Afghanistan:

4. time to bring them home…
5. Get them out of there…

This is still a small minority at Free Republic but they represent a significant shift from what prevailed in these outlets during the Bush administration. I think it also reflects the growing influence of Paulian isolationism.

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debutaunt Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:40:15pm replyquote

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re: #143 Boondock St. Bender

Those things happen(lord knows i’ve been guilty of jumping in w/o reading the whole thing.)
people here generally get to know what posters are about.I’m sure any misunderstandings will be patched up.

Thank you. I really enjoy the humor here and am uncomfortable to have caused any problems.

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Boondock St. Bender Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:40:26pm replyquote

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re: #144 Shiplord Kirel

or just plain anti-obamaism.

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bratwurst Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:41:04pm replyquote

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re: #139 wiffersnapper

Any other football fan lizards out there?

I prefer the kind with the round ball that actually requires use of the feet. 😉

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marsl Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:41:39pm replyquote

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re: #139 wiffersnapper

Do you mean football as american football or as soccer?

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marsl Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:42:23pm replyquote

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re: #147 bratwurst

That’s the only football I know… american football is like rugby

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Boondock St. Bender Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:42:39pm replyquote

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re: #139 wiffersnapper

long suffering Jets fan…

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Thanos  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:44:09pm replyquote

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re: #144 Shiplord Kirel

Time for another Dredge report.

Is the Fever Swamp going peacenik? Not exactly but we are seeing far more defeatist and anti-war comments at places like Free Republic, as on this thread about the deaths of eight US soldiers in a battle in Afghanistan:

This is still a small minority at Free Republic but they represent a significant shift from what prevailed in these outlets during the Bush administration. I think it also reflects the growing influence of Paulian isolationism.

This is only going to get louder, watch as the Paleo’s try to re-knit the conflict into “Obama’s Quaqmire”. It’ll will be interesting to see which conservative bloggers join the parade.

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bratwurst Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:45:04pm replyquote

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re: #149 marsl

That’s the only football I know… american football is like rugby

Nobody has to ask either of us which club we prefer!

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Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:45:24pm replyquote

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re: #144 Shiplord Kirel

I think that’s a trend to keep an eye on.

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Gus 802 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:46:14pm replyquote

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BBIAW

Keep the fire burning.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:46:24pm replyquote

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re: #151 Thanos

This is only going to get louder, watch as the Paleo’s try to re-knit the conflict into “Obama’s Quaqmire”. It’ll will be interesting to see which conservative bloggers join the parade.

The Buchanan wing is probably salivating at the prospect, since they love to tie all our conflicts in the Muslim world to Israel and deh Juice.

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marsl Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:46:59pm replyquote

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re: #152 bratwurst

I prefer S.L. Benfica, greatest football team in Portugal…

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The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:47:11pm replyquote

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re: #147 bratwurst

I prefer the kind with the round ball that actually requires use of the feet. 😉

Meh. A shapeless, formless scampering back and forth, with a score once every vernal equinox. Too much like real life for me.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:48:54pm replyquote

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re: #153 Killgore Trout

I think that’s a trend to keep an eye on.

I’ll be watching. Right-wing peace activists have been lying low ever since Pearl Harbor but they never entirely went away. We may well see them bursting out everywhere in the near future.

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Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:48:55pm replyquote

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Inside the White House: The Garden

Youtube Video

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Boondock St. Bender Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:48:59pm replyquote

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re: #153 Killgore Trout

given the change in the ROE it’s inevitable.
For the record i think Mckinnon is onto something,but,noone wants to hear of americans dying because support was withheld.(keep in mind the enemy will re-adjust his meathods accordingly.)

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rwmofo Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:50:10pm replyquote

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re: #139 wiffersnapper

Just watched the Broncos send the Cowboys home – post spanking.

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marsl Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:50:11pm replyquote

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re: #157 The Sanity Inspector

Perhaps I could love either baseball or american football… if I could understand the rules…

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Boondock St. Bender Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:51:31pm replyquote

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re: #162 marsl

I have the same problem with cricket…watched some kids playing it for about a half hour could’t make heads or tails of it.

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The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:52:25pm replyquote

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re: #162 marsl

Perhaps I could love either baseball or american football… if I could understand the rules…

George Will said that American football combined the two worst aspects of American life: violence, and committee meetings. Baseball? Bob Costas says that the National League is like chess, and the American League is like checkers.

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Dan G. Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:52:45pm replyquote

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re: #163 Boondock St. Bender

To paraphrase an Onion t-shirt: “The sports from my area are vastly superior to the sports from yours.”

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marsl Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:53:33pm replyquote

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re: #163 Boondock St. Bender

I have the same problem with cricket too…

But in the other hand, NBA basketball is very popular in Europe. Why? Everybody understands the rules of the game…

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Boondock St. Bender Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:54:13pm replyquote

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re: #165 Dan G.

lol..no superiority was implied…just a sense of bafflement…

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poteen Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:54:22pm replyquote

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re: #147 bratwurst

I prefer the kind with the round ball that actually requires use of the feet. 😉

Commie!!/

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Cathypop Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:54:23pm replyquote

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re: #161 rwmofo

Just watched the Broncos send the Cowboys home – post spanking.


The Cowboys lost? Always a good thing to watch and I live in Texas!
YEEHA!

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Thanos  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:55:55pm replyquote

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re: #158 Shiplord Kirel

I’ll be watching. Right-wing peace activists have been lying low ever since Pearl Harbor but they never entirely went away. We may well see them bursting out everywhere in the near future.

Right now the Conservative bloggers are waiting for a trigger to unload. If Obama and Biden ignore McChrystal I think you will see a lot of flips using that as an excuse. Some are already trying to make ROE the excuse to flip “pro troop but anti-war”.

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marsl Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:56:00pm replyquote

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re: #168 poteen

I prefer soccer to american football… and i’ve discover that i’m a lifetime commie! Hell, just shoot me!

/sarc mode…

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rwmofo Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:56:05pm replyquote

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re: #169 Cathypop

The Cowboys lost? Always a good thing to watch and I live in Texas!
YEEHA!

Heh. Well, we have two things in common. Let me know if you find someone who resembles Elway. I’m still looking.

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Boondock St. Bender Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:56:08pm replyquote

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re: #166 marsl

yes the rules for basketball are very easy to grasp,and enjoy.It does seem to be a rapidly growing sport worldwide.

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Dan G. Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:57:46pm replyquote

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re: #167 Boondock St. Bender

Not accusing you, the t-shirt jumped to mind in the course of reading the discussion.

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Boondock St. Bender Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:58:07pm replyquote

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re: #170 Thanos

oh jeez…did i get another name wrong(Mckrystal)sigh…i blame my not having slept in 28 hrs…

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Irish Rose  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:59:05pm replyquote

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I went over to Zombies’ blog this morning to leave a comment about all of the posts there bashing Charles and LGF. I told her I was disappointed in her and I reminded her that Charles has been a good friend to her.

She removed my post, and left the hate posts up.

Seriously Zombie, if you’re reading this… wtf?

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Cathypop Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:59:07pm replyquote

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re: #172 rwmofo

Heh. Well, we have two things in common. Let me know if you find someone who resembles Elway. I’m still looking.


Hoping that my grandson is the next Montana!

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poteen Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:59:29pm replyquote

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re: #171 marsl

I prefer soccer to american football… and i’ve discover that i’m a lifetime commie! Hell, just shoot me!

/sarc mode…

Drunk on the AYSO kool-aid, you are.//

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Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:00:41pm replyquote

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re: #176 Irish Rose

your comment wasn’t removed.

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Boondock St. Bender Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:01:45pm replyquote

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re: #174 Dan G.

that scool…always a big fan of witty t-shirts…
my current favorite is the WWF(world wildlife fund)logo,but behind the peaceful panda is an angry one about to smash the peaceful one w/ a folding chair…

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Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:01:50pm replyquote

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re: #176 Irish Rose

I wouldn’t worry about it. If zombie wants to move on from LGF she’s certainly entitled to do so.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:01:53pm replyquote

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re: #179 Sharmuta

I wouldn’t know. I don’t go to other sites…

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Cathypop Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:01:54pm replyquote

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re: #176 Irish Rose

I went over to Zombies’ blog this morning to leave a comment about all of the posts there bashing Charles and LGF. I told her I was disappointed in her and I reminded her that Charles has been a good friend to her.

She removed my post, and left the hate posts up.

Seriously Zombie, if you’re reading this… wtf?


WTF is up with Zombie?

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marsl Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:02:30pm replyquote

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re: #178 poteen

lol

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Thanos  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:05:27pm replyquote

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Weird and creepy ads

[Link: http://www.kdvr.com…%5D

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Irish Rose  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:06:02pm replyquote

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re: #179 Sharmuta

your comment wasn’t removed.

I’m wrong, your right… guess I’d better dig out my eyeglass and submit.
Still doesn’t excuse the rest of it, though.

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cenotaphium Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:07:47pm replyquote

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Newbie question:

Clicking on my icon I get a little profile page pop up. It has a counter for “links posted”, which stands at 0 for me, even though I’ve posted several links in comments.

Is the counter wrong, or is it counting some other form of link entirely?

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Boondock St. Bender Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:08:16pm replyquote

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re: #183 Cathypop

lrts not jump to any conclusions…zombie has always been a bud,and a source of wit and insight.she dosen’t have to justify his or herself to anyone.(if charles has a problem w/him/her i’m sure he’ll handle it)

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Dan G. Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:09:33pm replyquote

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re: #180 Boondock St. Bender

Link please!

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marsl Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:10:32pm replyquote

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re: #176 Irish Rose

Where are those posts? I went to zombies blog and site (zomblog and zombietime) and I didn’t saw any posts against LGF. Can you give some examples? Just curious.

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iceweasel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:12:40pm replyquote

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re: #187 cenotaphium

Newbie question:

Clicking on my icon I get a little profile page pop up. It has a counter for “links posted”, which stands at 0 for me, even though I’ve posted several links in comments.

Is the counter wrong, or is it counting some other form of link entirely?

It’s a different form of link. The spinoffs links on each post.

If you find links that are of interest, it’s a good idea to pop them in the spinoffs too. They can be related to the post content or not. Lots of people who read LGF never look at the comment threads, but do look at the spinoff links.

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Boondock St. Bender Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:12:50pm replyquote

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re: #189 Dan G.

got to get it from one of my co-workers.(he showed it to me,i beleive it was on a thread in 4chan.(we’re trying to hunt down the maker.if we find them i’ll let you know!)

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Dan G. Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:14:38pm replyquote

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re: #187 cenotaphium

At the top of the page, there is a link collection; link in the body of a thread don’t count.

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cenotaphium Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:15:08pm replyquote

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re: #191 iceweasel

Oh, I see! Thanks!

There aren’t any standards though? I mean, is it appropriate to post youtube music there on open or lounge threads but not on serious news for example?

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Dan G. Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:15:28pm replyquote

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re: #192 Boondock St. Bender

Tada! Google rules.

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iceweasel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:15:37pm replyquote

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re: #170 Thanos

Right now the Conservative bloggers are waiting for a trigger to unload. If Obama and Biden ignore McChrystal I think you will see a lot of flips using that as an excuse. Some are already trying to make ROE the excuse to flip “pro troop but anti-war”.

Agreed. There’s already been mutterings along those lines. Someone recently wrote a column that was suddenly opposed to the war in afghanistan– after years of cheerleading all moves the Bush admin made. I can’t remember who at the moment but it was someone prominent.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:15:41pm replyquote

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re: #162 marsl

Perhaps I could love either baseball or american football… if I could understand the rules…

Baseball is beautifully mathematical when properly understood, and full of grace…really, the best of America in many ways. Football I cannot help you with. My students despair of me.

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iceweasel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:17:38pm replyquote

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re: #194 cenotaphium

Oh, I see! Thanks!

There aren’t any standards though? I mean, is it appropriate to post youtube music there on open or lounge threads but not on serious news for example?

If you look at the spinoff links, there are categories to list your link in, including humour and video. I would probably post music links in a thread rather than there, though.

You can post a link on any topic in the spinoffs regardless of the post topic. One of the categories is “related to post topic” too.

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Jimmah  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:18:19pm replyquote

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re: #133 debutaunt

I would like to address an issue that came up late last Saturday afternoon. A number of lizards were offended and angered by what they saw as my laughter at and seeming agreement with what another lizard said. I refer to a now banned lizard who wrote with a humorous, heavy Russian accent. I came into a thread without knowing what had preceded and I laughed at the way this lizard said things and didn’t even notice what he was talking about. I laughed and shut down my computer to have dinner and enjoy the evening.

On the next day I was unable to log in and discovered my account had been blocked. I looked back to see that had happened and discovered that I had been accused of agreeing and laughing about the idea of shooting other lizards. This just isn’t true. I laughed at the way he said things. I’m sorry that people believed I would agree to anything like that and want everyone to know I never would do that. I regret any troll-like comments I have made. Please accept my apology.

Given that this was not by any means an isolated incident, but the latest in a series of such in which you displayed troll like behaviour towards myself and others you disagreed with, I’d be lying if I said I found your explanation remotely convincing. But in the interests of civility, and hopefully more constructive discussion in future, I am willing to let the matter drop and have a clean slate going forward. So long as the future behaviour isn’t like the past, there’s no quarrel from me.

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LudwigVanQuixote Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:20:21pm replyquote

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More twats on the AGW thread.

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Irish Rose  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:22:03pm replyquote

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re: #190 marsl

Where are those posts? I went to zombies blog and site (zomblog and zombietime) and I didn’t saw any posts against LGF. Can you give some examples? Just curious.

Sorry, no link from me.

Her comment section is just chock full of vile, abusive crap from the haters and stalkers and she does nothing to stop it, or remove it.

Any respect that I may have had for Zombie is now gone.

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iceweasel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:22:20pm replyquote

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re: #199 Jimmah

Given that this was not by any means an isolated incident, but the latest in a series of such in which you displayed troll like behaviour towards myself and others you disagreed with, I’d be lying if I said I found your explanation remotely convincing. But in the interests of civility, and hopefully more constructive discussion in future, I am willing to let the matter drop and have a clean slate going forward. So long as the future behaviour isn’t like the past, there’s no quarrel from me.

Seconded, on all counts.
No problem with wiping the past here, but I hope future behaviour will be along these promising lines.

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HoosierHoops Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:24:21pm replyquote

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re: #197 SanFranciscoZionist

Baseball is beautifully mathematical when properly understood, and full of grace…really, the best of America in many ways. Football I cannot help you with. My students despair of me.

Ask me…
Hi Lizards! Home from the Colts party…We kicked butt today..
After the game we watched the WNBA Woman’s Basketball series…
The Fever won tonight…In Indiana.. Basketball is king…Guys were chest bumping and screaming at the refs..It was a thing of beauty..
They just fricking love ball here!
So one guy goes ‘ Do you realize how cool it would be to win the Woman’s World Championship in Indy?’
Yea..It would be great
No you don’t get it Hoopster..There will be a million women downtown partying..
Yea.. I know..Cool
No you don’t get it.. There is no no way I’m not getting laid!
Those are my friends..
*wink*
GO Indiana Fever!

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webevintage Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:24:39pm replyquote

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re: #196 iceweasel

Agreed. There’s already been mutterings along those lines. Someone recently wrote a column that was suddenly opposed to the war in afghanistan– after years of cheerleading all moves the Bush admin made. I can’t remember who at the moment but it was someone prominent.

That would be Geroge “get off my lawn you danb kids” Will.
He hates blue jeans too.

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webevintage Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:25:44pm replyquote

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re: #204 webevintage

wow, sorry
Cat on the keyboard, it should read:
George “get off my lawn you damn kids” Will

Bad kitty…

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:25:57pm replyquote

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re: #183 Cathypop

WTF is up with Zombie?

I don’t think anything is up with Zombie. Zombie has always had a specific agenda, and personal set of projects. I think those met with a lot of approval at LGF, since Zombie’s work confirmed a lot of things that LGFers believed, and provided information on things LGFers were interested in.

These days, the focus of the blog is less on left-wing lunacy, and there is a more vocal group of people with a strong knowledge of some of the areas Zomb covers, some of whom don’t agree with his/her take on things.

It’s possible we just aren’t a particularly good forum for Zombie’s work any longer, or that Zombie’s taking a rest from LGF, or that what we’re discussing these days isn’t particularly interesting to him/her.

I don’t know what’s going on at Zombietime, I haven’t been for a bit.

I’m trying not to make this personal, since I have been both a big fan of Zombie’s hilarious coverage of local demonstrations, and troubled by some of his/her other work. Zombie doesn’t owe me anything, and I certainly don’t want to make LGF a less welcoming place for him/her. But if we’re not where teh wants to be right now…so be it.

I will say that my own personal experience of LGF’s changes has been that I feel I can breathe, and speak more openly, and that the conservative voices here will engage me in debate, rather than sneering and screaming. So I like it. But Zomb was kind of a superstar here with the older crowd, and it may be less interesting to submit work to a more critical and less politically compatible crowd.

I should stop now, because I’m trying to be really politically neutral here, and I’ll probably slip up any moment if I haven’t already.

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Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:27:26pm replyquote

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re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist

Very well said.

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iceweasel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:28:05pm replyquote

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re: #204 webevintage

That would be Geroge “get off my lawn you danb kids” Will.
He hates blue jeans too.

That’s right. I thought it might be George Will, but wasn’t sure and was too lazy to go check. What a tool he is.

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HoosierHoops Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:28:37pm replyquote

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re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist

Very nice post…

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marsl Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:32:09pm replyquote

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re: #201 Irish Rose

Ok. I didn’t saw the comments section. I tought the problem was in Zombie posts, not in the comments section. Thanks.

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Irish Rose  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:33:55pm replyquote

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Sorry, but I read through her comment section.

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Rightwingconspirator  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:34:37pm replyquote

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re: #10 Charles

The TV media still acts as if the blogosphere deserves no “real” credibility. And Rachael Maddow grabs anything off the current news cycle. Kind of a news moment parrot.

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marsl Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:36:38pm replyquote

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re: #211 Irish Rose

I usually don’t read the comment section on Zombie or other blogs/sites, because I have too much things to do. I only read the LGF comments… and sometimes even that I can’t do, because sometimes they are just too many. You know, LGF is a very popular place… and well frequented…

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Jimmah  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:40:48pm replyquote

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The Breeders – Cannonball

Youtube Video

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Floral Giraffe Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:44:23pm replyquote

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re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist

Thank you for posting that!
You expressed many of my own thoughts, very well!

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LudwigVanQuixote Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:52:33pm replyquote

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OK for the private thread…


I can not fucking believe that Condell would be such a hypocritical motherfucker as to claim that Jerusalem isn’t the Jews’ and that it is an Arab town we should “give back.”

Motherfucker, don’t you spend most of your time not wanting London to turn into an Arab town?

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tradewind Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:57:18pm replyquote

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// him, and the horse he rode in on. Actually, make that another animal…
[Link: news.xinhuanet.com…]

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cenotaphium Sun, Oct 4, 2009 6:02:04pm replyquote

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re: #214 Jimmah

The Pixies – Where Is My Mind (in an early performance)

Youtube Video

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MJ Sun, Oct 4, 2009 6:12:53pm replyquote

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re: #176 Irish Rose

I went over to Zombies’ blog this morning to leave a comment about all of the posts there bashing Charles and LGF. I told her I was disappointed in her and I reminded her that Charles has been a good friend to her.

She removed my post, and left the hate posts up.

Seriously Zombie, if you’re reading this… wtf?


I’m unsure why you thought it was your place to lecture Zombie on her own blog?

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 6:16:20pm replyquote

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re: #219 MJ

I’m unsure why you thought it was your place to lecture Zombie on her own blog?

And I’m unsure why you think there’s nothing wrong with what’s going on in that thread.

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iceweasel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 6:16:49pm replyquote

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re: #219 MJ

I’m unsure why you thought it was your place to lecture Zombie on her own blog?

Comments are open. IR’s comment was fair comment and completely justified as well.

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Jimmah  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 6:25:24pm replyquote

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re: #218 cenotaphium

The Pixies – Where Is My Mind (in an early performance)

Hey good to see another pixes fan – here’s a great performance of “Tame”

Youtube Video

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Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 6:28:59pm replyquote

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Lovely middle finger, that thread.

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cenotaphium Sun, Oct 4, 2009 6:33:04pm replyquote

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re: #222 Jimmah

What intensity!

I also quite like the solo Frank Black stuff.

Whatever Happened to Pong?

Youtube Video

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Jimmah  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 6:38:32pm replyquote

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re: #176 Irish Rose

I went over to Zombies’ blog this morning to leave a comment about all of the posts there bashing Charles and LGF. I told her I was disappointed in her and I reminded her that Charles has been a good friend to her.

She removed my post, and left the hate posts up.

Seriously Zombie, if you’re reading this… wtf?

Sad, but it doesn’t surprise me. I’ve been noticing her tilting towards the crazy for some time.

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Jimmah  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 6:40:46pm replyquote

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re: #224 cenotaphium

What intensity!

I also quite like the solo Frank Black stuff.

Whatever Happened to Pong?

Thanks – hadn’t heard that! Yeah Frank Black is a seriously intense performer – no doubt about it.

Youtube Video

BBL

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Naso Tang Sun, Oct 4, 2009 6:42:43pm replyquote

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re: #216 LudwigVanQuixote

OK for the private thread…

I can not fucking believe that Condell would be such a hypocritical motherfucker as to claim that Jerusalem isn’t the Jews’ and that it is an Arab town we should “give back.”

Motherfucker, don’t you spend most of your time not wanting London to turn into an Arab town?

You are not the first to say that, although you are more colorful.

As I said somewhere earlier about others, you are being a literalist. I think Condell was just sticking it to religion in general and being sarcastic about the added value it gives to certain real estate, which is otherwise supposed to irrelevant to the same principles of the religions.

To interpret; if idols are not to be worshiped, what’s the difference between a little one and a city sized one?

Now, the politics part of it, you and I would probably agree on.

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cenotaphium Sun, Oct 4, 2009 6:57:42pm replyquote

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I just posted my first spinoff link. Yay me!

Oh, it was Greece’s Socialists win snap poll. Maybe the right-wing winds over Europe narrative isn’t entirely true?

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cenotaphium Sun, Oct 4, 2009 6:59:52pm replyquote

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Uh.. another newbie question: if there’s a link with relevant or interesting information, but in another language, what’s the proper thing to do? Obviously, if there’s an international edition, I’d post that. A small summary translation with original link?

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iceweasel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 7:06:03pm replyquote

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re: #229 cenotaphium

Uh.. another newbie question: if there’s a link with relevant or interesting information, but in another language, what’s the proper thing to do? Obviously, if there’s an international edition, I’d post that. A small summary translation with original link?

Oh, that’s a nice idea. You could also post a link in the comments there or in the summary to the google translation of the page. (I know their translations often suck, but it’s all I could think of)

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Naso Tang Sun, Oct 4, 2009 7:21:28pm replyquote

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re: #229 cenotaphium

If it is not readable by most, I would just suggest posting the information as a comment, where appropriate, perhaps with a link as a reference source; to prove you are not making up shit.

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Bear Sun, Oct 4, 2009 7:28:43pm replyquote

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Just got back from a Sunday Afternoon drive. Yesterday was the first sunny day in a week and today also was without rain. Believe it or not I drove all but 10 miles of the local highway. It is all of 33 miles long! And 25 miles of it is now paved. Looks as if it will start raining again later this evening.

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Cato the Elder Sun, Oct 4, 2009 7:34:20pm replyquote

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re: #73 cenotaphium

Unhelpful it is then.
Especially annoying when I’m responding to your points.

What movie are you going to see?

Your annoyance is not my problem.

“The Informant!” It was very funny.

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Naso Tang Sun, Oct 4, 2009 7:34:53pm replyquote

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re: #176 Irish Rose

I went over to Zombies’ blog this morning to leave a comment about all of the posts there bashing Charles and LGF. I told her I was disappointed in her and I reminded her that Charles has been a good friend to her.

She removed my post, and left the hate posts up.

Seriously Zombie, if you’re reading this… wtf?

As I’ve said before, I don’t travel a lot in these circles and I rely on others I think I can count on for the legwork, but it seems that there has been a pattern in this stuff lately.

Based on my own little analysis, it does not seem to be so much a matter of disagreement on fundamentals, although tunnel vision might play a role, as on the difference between having a blog based on personal principles versus one based on populism.

Needless to say the self immolations we see from random trolls are just that, but those from otherwise apparently sane and talented bloggers (not that I follow them at home) suggests that their motives are self serving.

Nothing wrong with that in principle, but what were they doing here all this time other than hitch hiking on the traffic if they eventually just give in to the shouting that they allow at home?

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Cato the Elder Sun, Oct 4, 2009 7:40:21pm replyquote

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re: #73 cenotaphium

Unhelpful it is then.
Especially annoying when I’m responding to your points.

And you didn’t “respond to my points”. You scored a couple of rhetorical points of your own.

Don’t, then, pretend you were asking for information, and that you’re miffed because I won’t provide it.

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Cato the Elder Sun, Oct 4, 2009 7:46:24pm replyquote

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re: #220 Charles

And I’m unsure why you think there’s nothing wrong with what’s going on in that thread.

My take: As an ex-leftist who “saw the light”, Zombie is completely committed to discrediting the left. S/he/it sees anything that detracts from that crusade as a distraction. So LGF’s focus on teh crazee from the right is not welcome. Hence the laborious recent attempts to show that no matter how insane the right has become, the left has something even worse to offer.

I am not at all surprised, therefore, at the way things are developing.

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cenotaphium Sun, Oct 4, 2009 7:47:48pm replyquote

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re: #233 Cato the Elder

re: #235 Cato the Elder

Two responses to that? To think that you could have actually exponded upon what you originally meant instead of writing those oh-so-snappy responses.

Don’t, then, pretend you were asking for information, and that you’re miffed because I won’t provide it.

I took the original post as quizzical and responded. As to the latter part I really didn’t understand it, I even pointed that out in a later comment. But apparently your mind-reading skills is the authority on who did what and why?

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Naso Tang Sun, Oct 4, 2009 7:51:12pm replyquote

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re: #236 Cato the Elder

Is that a defense or just a dispassionate analysis?

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Naso Tang Sun, Oct 4, 2009 7:52:38pm replyquote

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Cool it guys. These are newbie tiffs.

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Cato the Elder Sun, Oct 4, 2009 8:02:46pm replyquote

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re: #238 Naso Tang

Is that a defense or just a dispassionate analysis?

I have no idea what you think I might be defending, so I’m going to go with “analysis” for $100.

re: #239 Naso Tang

Cool it guys. These are newbie tiffs.

Exactly. Which is why I feel no need to sooth the ruffled feathers of Cenotaphium. Not even with an elegy in couplets, or a theological disquisition in terza rima. If it wants to ask “As for religion getting something (what?) done and needing to do so in an organized form.. I don’t even know where to start with that,” well…I am not its internet Baedeker.

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cenotaphium Sun, Oct 4, 2009 8:15:27pm replyquote

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re: #240 Cato the Elder

Which is why I feel no need to sooth the ruffled feathers of Cenotaphium.

You feel no need to truth my ruffled feathers? You’re a professional translator, damn it. Show some pride in your work, man!

re: #239 Naso Tang

Cool it guys. These are newbie tiffs.

At least I am one. What’s his excuse? 😉
Nah, seriously, there’s no scuffle here. Just some barbs.

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marjoriemoon Sun, Oct 4, 2009 8:23:35pm replyquote

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re: #236 Cato the Elder

My take: As an ex-leftist who “saw the light”, Zombie is completely committed to discrediting the left. S/he/it sees anything that detracts from that crusade as a distraction. So LGF’s focus on teh crazee from the right is not welcome. Hence the laborious recent attempts to show that no matter how insane the right has become, the left has something even worse to offer.

I am not at all surprised, therefore, at the way things are developing.

I tend to agree with you and SFZionist above, however

and that’s a big, giant, colossal “however”

I find it disgusting she would tolerate the negative comments on that site without (as of about an hour ago) uttering one word about it. I just took a peek. It’s her blog and she has a responsibility to maintain it. I don’t care how much she hates the Left. If Charles was good to anyone, it was to her. She wouldn’t have gotten near the exposure without him.

And we have a rat in the house because they’ve been copying off this thread.

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spirochete Sun, Oct 4, 2009 8:23:57pm replyquote

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re: #54 Charles

I’ll take half for 5% of that price.

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Cato the Elder Sun, Oct 4, 2009 8:26:35pm replyquote

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re: #241 cenotaphium

You feel no need to truth my ruffled feathers? You’re a professional translator, damn it. Show some pride in your work, man!

Glad to see you at least get puns.

Once more, since you seem particularly dense: I am not your tutor in matters religious. And you have made your attitude toward the subject so plain, I wonder you can seriously pretend to want a debate. Play these games with a stoned community-college freshman, not with me!

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cenotaphium Sun, Oct 4, 2009 8:32:13pm replyquote

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re: #244 Cato the Elder

Glad to see you at least get puns.

Uh.. yeah. Nice save there.

Once more, since you seem particularly dense: I am not your tutor in matters religious. And you have made your attitude toward the subject so plain, I wonder you can seriously pretend to want a debate. Play these games with a stoned community-college freshman, not with me!

..haha, what? Once more? You’re the one who can’t seem to let it go. The amount of time and words you’ve spent telling me you won’t answer my silly questions is starting to become a joke by itself. Maybe that’s what I’m missing? This whole thing is some kind of comedy bit?
Good show, you got me.

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Cato the Elder Sun, Oct 4, 2009 8:38:52pm replyquote

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re: #245 cenotaphium

..haha, what? Once more? You’re the one who can’t seem to let it go. The amount of time and words you’ve spent telling me you won’t answer my silly questions is starting to become a joke by itself. Maybe that’s what I’m missing? This whole thing is some kind of comedy bit?
Good show, you got me.

No, the amount of time and words it would take to get you to the point where you would even admit that religion has a reason for existing would be so far beyond my strength…it’s just absurd. There is a category of Catholic theology called ignorantia invincibilis. You seem just acute enough not to need to google it.

Congratulations. You’ve gone from “interesting newbie” to “automatic scrollover” in seven days. For me, that’s a record.

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cenotaphium Sun, Oct 4, 2009 8:54:02pm replyquote

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re: #246 Cato the Elder

No, the amount of time and words it would take to get you to the point where you would even admit that religion has a reason for existing would be so far beyond my strength…it’s just absurd. There is a category of Catholic theology called ignorantia invincibilis. You seem just acute enough not to need to google it.

Congratulations. You’ve gone from “interesting newbie” to “automatic scrollover” in seven days. For me, that’s a record.

The less I say, the more you invent. Will I be calling for the beheading of all believers soon?

You seem to have missed the threads where I ask people about their religion and what it entails.. a very positive experience for me, as the people responding have been very enlightening and courteous.
I’d like to think I try to make it clear what I do think, and when I don’t understand a concept I often invite people to try to explain it to me.

How you can warp this into me having an attitude of not wanting to learn, I don’t know.

I think you’ve been unnecessarily abrasive, and insisted upon that attitude even when I’ve specifically clarified my intent. Would you mind telling me why?

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Cato the Elder Sun, Oct 4, 2009 8:56:27pm replyquote

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re: #247 cenotaphium

Yes.

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cenotaphium Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:03:36pm replyquote

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re: #248 Cato the Elder

Class act. Well, adjö then.

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Orbit Rain[deleted]  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:26:32pm

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:33:48pm replyquote

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Wow. I don’t believe who I just found among the people reading this thread.

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, though.

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cenotaphium Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:35:47pm replyquote

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My first flouncer? Yay!

I even had time to eyeball what he wrote!

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:40:21pm replyquote

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Zombie was logged in to this thread using the name ‘Chicken Kiev’. And he/she also had another sock puppet.

They’re all blocked now.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:41:00pm replyquote

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re: #216 LudwigVanQuixote

OK for the private thread…


I can not fucking believe that Condell would be such a hypocritical motherfucker as to claim that Jerusalem isn’t the Jews’ and that it is an Arab town we should “give back.”

Motherfucker, don’t you spend most of your time not wanting London to turn into an Arab town?

Is he of that ilk? Oh, Lord, then that really is rich.

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:41:11pm replyquote

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And yes, I’m very pissed off and disappointed.

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Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:41:38pm replyquote

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Wow

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LudwigVanQuixote Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:41:40pm replyquote

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re: #254 SanFranciscoZionist

Is he of that ilk? Oh, Lord, then that really is rich.

Check out Alouettes post. Watch his video. Get ready to yell.

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jaunte  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:42:18pm replyquote

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That is unfortunate. I’m sorry about that.

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Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:42:19pm replyquote

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{Charles} I’m so sorry.

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:43:25pm replyquote

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re: #242 marjoriemoon

I tend to agree with you and SFZionist above, however

and that’s a big, giant, colossal “however”

I find it disgusting she would tolerate the negative comments on that site without (as of about an hour ago) uttering one word about it. I just took a peek. It’s her blog and she has a responsibility to maintain it. I don’t care how much she hates the Left. If Charles was good to anyone, it was to her. She wouldn’t have gotten near the exposure without him.

And we have a rat in the house because they’ve been copying off this thread.

The rat appears to be zombie.

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LudwigVanQuixote Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:43:41pm replyquote

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Well this sucks. OK. I guess we knew it was coming. At least it was on a private thread.

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Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:44:05pm replyquote

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re: #253 Charles

Zombie was logged in to this thread using the name ‘Chicken Kiev’. And he/she also had another sock puppet.

They’re all blocked now.

Wow- here’s a search.

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Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:48:19pm replyquote

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Zombie used her sock puppet Chicken Kiev as the author for one of her “scoops”

Forget about Tea Parties — what about the Yoo Parties?

Well, zomblog has the scoop!

Chicken Kiev writes:

“Saw the Yoo protest again today, and snapped another picture from my bike.”

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

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reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:50:50pm replyquote

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re: #260 Charles

The rat appears to be zombie.

Oh, hell.

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jaunte  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:51:12pm replyquote

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re: #263 Sharmuta

Sockshilling is incredibly cheap behavior. Bad.

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Cato the Elder Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:52:32pm replyquote

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Well.

Well, well, well.

Saw that comin’.

I guess we can expect an exposé, with undercover pictures of some sort.

The next couple of days could get interesting.

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:55:49pm replyquote

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I may delete all my posts linking to zombie. What a back-stabbing little creep.

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:57:04pm replyquote

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And they’re over there complaining that I delinked zombie — why the hell would I link to a blog where those kinds of comments are allowed to be posted?

Assholes.

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:00:19pm replyquote

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The fact that zombie was in this thread, silently watching, confirms that the comments were allowed to be posted with zombie’s full knowledge and consent.

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Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:00:44pm replyquote

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And again she uses her sock puppet in her work on Obama and the Weather Underground:

“This report would not have been possible without the outstanding research contributed by quickjustice, Irene NYC, Toasty, and Chicken Kiev.”

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

I have to question the integrity of such work, quite frankly.

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reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:02:09pm replyquote

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Charles – I’m so sorry there are so many people who gained a bit of notice because of their relationship with you and your support of them, are now engaged in the most despicable backstabbing activities.

That behavior is wrong and well, in my mind, it is immoral and evil to use people that way, and I’m sorry – it must be very hurtful.

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iceweasel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:04:06pm replyquote

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re: #269 Charles

The fact that zombie was in this thread, silently watching, confirms that the comments were allowed to be posted with zombie’s full knowledge and consent.

Of course they were. Zombie had appeared in her own comments thread answering other posters– after anti-LGF comments were made. She/he knew very well what was being said.

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iceweasel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:07:19pm replyquote

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re: #263 Sharmuta

Zombie used her sock puppet Chicken Kiev as the author for one of her “scoops”

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Right. The fabricated ‘scoop’ where she claimed a paper endorsed the Yoo protest (it didn’t. Someone took out an ad in it) and she lied and claimed that the paper published Yoo’s address. (it didn’t. The person with the ad asked people who were interested to contact her via facebook or some such.) All in an attempt to lie and say ‘the left’ was crazy. Because 6 lunatics (by her own count!) responded to a personal ad in the free Berkeley paper.

Why am I not surprised to find out she lied about someone else taking the photos as well?

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:07:21pm replyquote

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re: #271 reine.de.tout

Charles – I’m so sorry there are so many people who gained a bit of notice because of their relationship with you and your support of them, are now engaged in the most despicable backstabbing activities.

That behavior is wrong and well, in my mind, it is immoral and evil to use people that way, and I’m sorry – it must be very hurtful.

It is what it is.

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jaunte  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:08:53pm replyquote

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It’s too bad some people are so easily corrupted by anonymity.

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Racer X Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:09:59pm replyquote

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Wow.
Just fucking wow.

Charles, you do not deserve this.

Did someone spike the water or something?

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:11:36pm replyquote

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There’s now a trackback posted at the bottom of those sick comments at zombie’s blog. Look who it is.

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Jimmah  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:13:35pm replyquote

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re: #273 iceweasel

Right. The fabricated ‘scoop’ where she claimed a paper endorsed the Yoo protest (it didn’t. Someone took out an ad in it) and she lied and claimed that the paper published Yoo’s address. (it didn’t. The person with the ad asked people who were interested to contact her via facebook or some such.) All in an attempt to lie and say ‘the left’ was crazy. Because 6 lunatics (by her own count!) responded to a personal ad in the free Berkeley paper.

Why am I not surprised to find out she lied about someone else taking the photos as well?

Things got a bit surreal a few months back when it became apparent that zombie was hand-feeding the right wing crazies – Beck , Geller etc – even as Charles was campaigning against them. I have a feeling I am about to discover this person was ever crazier than I had supposed.

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Gus 802 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:14:42pm replyquote

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re: #277 Charles

There’s now a trackback posted at the bottom of those sick comments at zombie’s blog. Look who it is.

That nut, Avid Editor. I think it might have been sitting there for a couple of hours.

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reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:14:55pm replyquote

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re: #275 jaunte

It’s too bad some people are so easily corrupted by anonymity.

I’m not sure it’s the anonymity.

It’s people going thru life thinking relationships are disposable.
And having a character flaw that thinks it’s perfectly OK to do harm or hurt to others, when no harm has been done to them.

It’s not necessary to be blindly loyal; but when paths diverge, it is wrong to plan and concoct actions that will do harm to the other person. Just wrong.

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Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:14:57pm replyquote

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zombie 12/20/2005 7:55:12 am PST

Chicken Kiev broke this story this morning here.

zombie 12/20/2005 7:58:50 am PST

Here’s the links:

archaeologist traded for terrorist

#375 Chicken Kiev 12/20/2005 08:24AM PST

zombie 2/01/2006 3:30:22 pm PST

#35 Chicken Kiev
Great minds think alike!

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iceweasel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:16:27pm replyquote

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re: #267 Charles

I may delete all my posts linking to zombie. What a back-stabbing little creep.

I think I wouldn’t delete the posts– but I would disable the links to avoid sending zombie traffic. Here is why:

People on the right and left who are hostile to LGF will claim that you have deleted the posts in an effort to cover or whitewash your association with her. They will produce screenshots to ‘prove’ this. People who think zombie is a nut (and there are many on the left who think this) and who only think of LGF as ‘that place that made zombie famous, and had comments by that guy Iron Fist’ will be all too ready to believe that it’s an attempt at covering something up.

It’s true that hostile people will be hostile no matter what, and will manufacture lies no matter what. This is my gut reaction though. Haven’t thought about it much yet myself, i must admit.

My two cents for what they’re worth.

I’m no fan of zombie’s by any means and I think she’s done harm to LGF in the past. The only criticisms I have seen about LGF in the last two years or so coming from the left all involved zombie– not LGF proper.

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Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:17:46pm replyquote

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zombie 3/25/2006 7:37:03 am PST

#4 Chicken Kiev
Don’t tell that to the Breasts Not Bombs people that Zombie photographed baring all in the streets of Crazytown. I want to see them keep having no influence and not realizing it.
Ah, you beat me to my own punch.

But actually, they DO have an influence on society — they marginalize Leftism by revealing how demented its adherents are. Which is of course the opposite of the effect they intended to have.

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Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:18:54pm replyquote

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zombie 7/04/2006 3:52:12 pm PDT

Too bad I missed the flag-burning festival yesterday in Santa Cruz. (Hat tip: Chicken Kiev.)

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ArchangelMichael  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:20:52pm replyquote

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You gotta be shitting me… srsly? I’m way too pissed off and tired to say anything else.

Ok, maybe this… fuckin ingrates that would be nowhere without LGF.

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Floral Giraffe Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:22:37pm replyquote

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Wow.

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ArchangelMichael  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:22:44pm replyquote

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re: #284 Sharmuta

zombie 7/04/2006 3:52:12 pm PDT

Too bad I missed the flag-burning festival yesterday in Santa Cruz. (Hat tip: Chicken Kiev.)

If I remember correctly, Zombie told everyone here that “Chicken Kiev” was his/her/whateverthefucks alias at one time. Did he/she/wtfbbq forget about doing this? Or perhaps just think we are stupid?

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BigPapa  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:23:07pm replyquote

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WTF? Not zombie. I’ve been wondering where zombie is lately through all this recent crap, nowhere to be found… wondering if there was a reason.

I guess there is.

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:23:23pm replyquote

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By the way — I know for a fact that zombie and Chicken Kiev were not just sharing an IP address. They were the SAME person. My correlator tool absolutely confirms this. (Yes, I really do have a correlator tool.)

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TheMatrix31 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:23:48pm replyquote

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Can someone give me cliff notes?

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:24:52pm replyquote

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I would appreciate it if people don’t discuss this in public threads, please.

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Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:25:40pm replyquote

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And again she uses her sock for her own work:

zombie 10/23/2007 9:35:33 pm PDT

All credit should go to our brave photographers:

bbuck, Chicken Kiev, Dan K., Luvpotion v.9.0, Marwan’s Daughter, neocon hippie, and Temmy.

zombie 10/23/2007 8:07:50 pm PDT

Here’s the report on the Nonie Darwish event at Berkeley, part of Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week:

Nonie Darwish at Berkeley

Several interesting aspects:

1. It’s a new form of online journalism — a collaborative group effort by seven photographers unknown to each other!

2. I managed to trace the disruptive protests back to a noxious communist group.

3. The video near the end is highly entertaining.

From the intro:

Note: This report is an experiment in collaborative online journalism. The photos on this page were taken by seven different photographers, each working independently and unknown to one another, who submitted their pictures, videos and accounts to a central editor, where they were compiled into a single report. The online nicknames of the seven “citizen journalists” are: bbuck, Chicken Kiev, Dan K., Luvpotion v.9.0, Marwan’s Daughter, neocon hippie, and Temmy. The central editor who created this report — and who did not actually attend the event itself — was me, zombie, the proprietor of this site. I edited the images and videos, and wrote the captions and introduction; the citizen journalists took the photos and videos, and provided first-hand observations and notes, which are the basis of this report.

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BigPapa  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:25:59pm replyquote

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Don’t hate: correlate!

Crazy times. Our tent is getting smaller and smaller. All that big tent talk was BS. It’s just us now.

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iceweasel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:26:12pm replyquote

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re: #278 Jimmah

Things got a bit surreal a few months back when it became apparent that zombie was hand-feeding the right wing crazies – Beck , Geller etc – even as Charles was campaigning against them. I have a feeling I am about to discover this person was ever crazier than I had supposed.

I knew Zombie was a liar years before I registered here.

And I’ve mentioned other issues.

There are many.

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cenotaphium Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:27:25pm replyquote

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re: #292 Sharmuta

It’s beyond creepy when the sockpuppets start talking to “each other”.

Being new here, I have to ask; is this craziness (flouncing, backstabbing, stalker blogs) new, or an ongoing issue?

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:27:43pm replyquote

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re: #293 BigPapa

Don’t hate: correlate!

Crazy times. Our tent is getting smaller and smaller. All that big tent talk was BS. It’s just us now.

Actually, it’s not getting smaller at all. LGF traffic is up by nearly 30% over the last two months.

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Jimmah  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:28:17pm replyquote

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re: #282 iceweasel

The only criticisms I have seen about LGF in the last two years or so coming from the left all involved zombie– not LGF proper.

Correspondingly, there has been a lot of adulation from the stalkers blogs for zombie over the last few months.

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Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:28:46pm replyquote

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We don’t need no stinkin’ sock puppet posers.

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Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:31:28pm replyquote

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There are a lot more comments from zombie praising ‘Chicken Kiev’ that I didn’t post. She seemed quite fond of herself.

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BigPapa  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:32:47pm replyquote

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re: #296 Charles

Actually, it’s not getting smaller at all. LGF traffic is up by nearly 30% over the last two months.

I hope it’s interest and rational people, not socky stalkers and nutbags looking for dirt.

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Racer X Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:33:30pm replyquote

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Appropriate.

I’m watching Zombieland right now.

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:34:41pm replyquote

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re: #300 BigPapa

I hope it’s interest and rational people, not socky stalkers and nutbags looking for dirt.

I’m talking about tens of thousands of people.

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iceweasel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:36:11pm replyquote

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re: #297 Jimmah

Correspondingly, there has been a lot of adulation from the stalkers blogs for zombie over the last few months.

There certainly has. And that’s no surprise. They loved what zombie peddled.

I realise that this sucks, most of all for Charles, who supported her and gave her all this help, and also for the lizards here who liked her– but the truth is, this is a very good thing for LGF.

She/he was a self-aggrandising faux ‘journalist’ who pushed a so-con agenda at every opportunity. Not because she herself endorsed it, I don’t necessarily think, but because it would bring traffic.

More zombie lies here, btw.

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reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:38:15pm replyquote

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re: #297 Jimmah

Correspondingly, there has been a lot of adulation from the stalkers blogs for zombie over the last few months.

And – right now, too.

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ArchangelMichael  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:38:21pm replyquote

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re: #299 Sharmuta

There are a lot more comments from zombie praising ‘Chicken Kiev’ that I didn’t post. She seemed quite fond of herself.

I might be just imagining this, but I could have sworn that zombie told people CK was his/her sockpuppet. I could not find it a search though. Perhaps my LGF-search-fu is weak. Either way, when I saw this thread the first thing that came to mind was the sockpuppet was completely unsurprising to me.

On that note, the search page is putting up an ad that says “Liberals claim only 70000 people were at the March on Washington. Here’s your chance to prove them wrong.”

Riiight… another one you can dry out and fertilize the lawn with.

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Jimmah  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:41:00pm replyquote

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re: #294 iceweasel

I knew Zombie was a liar years before I registered here.

And I’ve mentioned other issues.

There are many.

The Holdren posts were what really alerted me to the fact that something was wrong with this person. A total misreading of science, and one that pandered in a most hysterical fashion to the crazies infesting the nu-right. And then they gobbled it right up of course. We told her this and got shit for it, needless to say, from people who seemed to regard her as some sort of living saint.

After that people like yourself started to point out other ‘oddities’ – shall we say – in her worldview, not to mention serious questions over her honesty. This business with the sock puppet extends that freakiness further. Very, very creepy.

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BigPapa  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:42:12pm replyquote

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wow Ice, it seems as though your were right.

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Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:42:30pm replyquote

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re: #305 ArchangelMichael

Either way, when I saw this thread the first thing that came to mind was the sockpuppet was completely unsurprising to me.

I didn’t find anything about her admitting CK was her sock either, but I did find these references to other socks used elsewhere:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:43:52pm replyquote

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re: #306 Jimmah

The Holdren posts were what really alerted me to the fact that something was wrong with this person. A total misreading of science, and one that pandered in a most hysterical fashion to the crazies infesting the nu-right. And then they gobbled it right up of course. We told her this and got shit for it, needless to say, from people who seemed to regard her as some sort of living saint.

After that people like yourself started to point out other ‘oddities’ – shall we say – in her worldview, not to mention serious questions over her honesty. This business with the sock puppet extends that freakiness further. Very, very creepy.

The Holdren posts were a real problem for me too. In fact, I made it clear in the post I wrote about it that I wasn’t really signing on for the full course.

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iceweasel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:47:04pm replyquote

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re: #295 cenotaphium

It’s beyond creepy when the sockpuppets start talking to “each other”.

Being new here, I have to ask; is this craziness (flouncing, backstabbing, stalker blogs) new, or an ongoing issue?

Right now, things are extreme because of the tsunami of hate coming from Charles’ former ‘friends’ in the blogopshere– the people who mistakenly assumed that he hated the left, rather than hating idiocy wherever it occurs. They assumed he signed on to their agenda. There’s been quite the upheaval in the right-wing blogosphere this summer as a result, and so there have been massive attacks on LGF, on Charles, because of it.

At the same time, lots of former LGF haters on the left have been noticing that LGF is the one place on the centre-right willing to call out the crazy. Dave Weigel at the Washington Independent did a great piece in April on the split over VB. The Daily Beast did a good piece on how Beck was polarising the righty-sphere and Charles is one of the only people calling him out.

So there is a seachange underway and all this talk of sockpuppets, flouncings, etc is the result.

Hopefully in future all discussion of the flouncings, stalker sites, etc, will come to be confined to the private threads, because it’s incomprehensible and boring to new readers– and as Charles pointed out, we’re getting tens of thousands of them now, from all over the political spectrum.

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Gus 802 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:47:52pm replyquote

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re: #309 Charles

The Holdren posts were a real problem for me too. In fact, I made it clear in the post I wrote about it that I wasn’t really signing on for the full course.

I finally rethought the Holdren event after reviewing what Dr. Emanuel went through for his ethics writings. That and thinking about what I wrote when I was about 23 years old.

I’m stuck with a comment a blog critic to Zombie’s Hodren article. At first I was critical of this blog critic until I realized I had been wrong:

Just because you study the devil doesn’t mean you worship him.

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Jimmah  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:48:35pm replyquote

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re: #303 iceweasel

There certainly has. And that’s no surprise. They loved what zombie peddled.

I realise that this sucks, most of all for Charles, who supported her and gave her all this help, and also for the lizards here who liked her– but the truth is, this is a very good thing for LGF.

She/he was a self-aggrandising faux ‘journalist’ who pushed a so-con agenda at every opportunity. Not because she herself endorsed it, I don’t necessarily think, but because it would bring traffic.

More zombie lies here, btw.

Yep – I seem to remember zombie did not even attempt a response to you on that one.

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:51:34pm replyquote

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re: #303 iceweasel

More zombie lies here, btw.

Yes, I had a real problem with the claim that zombie saw Van Jones at Truther events. If I tried to float such a flimsy story, without ANY evidence for it, people would have jumped down my back instantly.

It smelled like a lie. And it almost certainly was.

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Jimmah  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:53:55pm replyquote

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re: #309 Charles

The Holdren posts were a real problem for me too. In fact, I made it clear in the post I wrote about it that I wasn’t really signing on for the full course.

Yes, you did make that quite clear in the posts at the time. I knew you had to be feeling very uncomfortable with them too, given the poor understanding of science and the sheer amount of reaching involved in her argument.

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Drogheda Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:55:03pm replyquote

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re: #305 ArchangelMichael

I might be just imagining this, but I could have sworn that zombie told people CK was his/her sockpuppet. I could not find it a search though. Perhaps my LGF-search-fu is weak. Either way, when I saw this thread the first thing that came to mind was the sockpuppet was completely unsurprising to me.

When you first mentioned that in your #287 above it did sort of ring a bell with me. Now I’m wondering if maybe it is just some subconscious association kicking around in my mind from seeing some Zombie comments mentioning Chicken Kiev and vice-versa.

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Floral Giraffe Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:55:56pm replyquote

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I am sad to see a long time poster, trashed, thrown into a wall, to see what sticks. Charles, it’s YOUR BLOG, and YOUR RULES, and YOU have a long time relationship with these folks, and you know what you are doing.

I am a noob. I don’t have any of this history. I’m just a visitor at Charles blog. I love the information. I like some of the politics. That’s irrelevant.
Charles’ blog, Charles’ rules.

So, my contribution, is worth what you paid for it!

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:55:57pm replyquote

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re: #305 ArchangelMichael

I might be just imagining this, but I could have sworn that zombie told people CK was his/her sockpuppet.

I don’t remember that ever being said here. I would remember if it were so.

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iceweasel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:56:56pm replyquote

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re: #312 Jimmah

Yep – I seem to remember zombie did not even attempt a response to you on that one.

She ran off. She first started to get angry, I think, when Charles wouldn’t sign onto her ridiculous Holdren crap. He made it clear he had reservations when he posted about it. And he posted the link to the Chris Mooney takedown later, IIRC.

Then she showed up with a new ‘expose’– that the Secret Service didn’t investigate threats against Bush as much as they did Obama, because ‘the media didn’t report them as much’. Yes, that was her ridiculous argument– as if the USSS gets its tips from the media. There’s so much wrong with that I can’t even go into it again, but a search of my comments here will bring up what i said then.

Charles wouldn’t sign onto that claim at all– and that’s when IMO she REALLY started to get mad.

The whole time I’ve been here she used LGF as a place to pimp whatever ridiculous story she was posting at the time and to plead for more traffic. “I think my site is overwhelmed with traffic, could you all go look and tell me if it’s working?” — Yeah. Because getting even more hits on an overwhelmed site is the way to tell if it’s ‘working’.

Zero respect for zombie here. None.

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Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:58:06pm replyquote

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re: #315 Drogheda

There are quite a number of comments I found zombie responding to her sock, many times praising it. I only posted a sample and took note when she used her sock for her work. That undermines her integrity and the integrity of her work to me manipulating her readers like that.

And not just her readers, the people who helped promote her! In the real world of journalism, this sort of thing is called fraud.

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iceweasel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:00:00pm replyquote

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re: #316 Floral Giraffe

I am sad to see a long time poster, trashed, thrown into a wall, to see what sticks. Charles, it’s YOUR BLOG, and YOUR RULES, and YOU have a long time relationship with these folks, and you know what you are doing.

I am a noob. I don’t have any of this history. I’m just a visitor at Charles blog. I love the information. I like some of the politics. That’s irrelevant.
Charles’ blog, Charles’ rules.

So, my contribution, is worth what you paid for it!

I updinged you because I understand and respect the sentiment about longtime posters whom you liked, and the principle of not bashing people– but my points still stand. There was a problem here, a longtanding one, and I was never shy about bringing that straight to zombie when she and I encountered each other. So this isn’t a ‘let’s privately bash a longtime poster’ thing so much as it is a needed corrective.

{FG}

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:01:35pm replyquote

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Remember: I promoted zombie’s photo essays for years. I don’t think it’s exaggerating to say that without my help, zombie would never have gotten noticed at all. I even PAID zombie out of my own pocket to cover the Democratic Convention. And through it all, I put MY reputation on the line by protecting zombie’s identity. I never insisted on knowing it, even when I PAID her for work. I just absorbed the tax hit myself.

This bridge is completely burned.

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Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:03:15pm replyquote

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I’m sorry, Charles…

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Jimmah  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:03:32pm replyquote

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re: #318 iceweasel

The whole time I’ve been here she used LGF as a place to pimp whatever ridiculous story she was posting at the time and to plead for more traffic. “I think my site is overwhelmed with traffic, could you all go look and tell me if it’s working?” — Yeah. Because getting even more hits on an overwhelmed site is the way to tell if it’s ‘working’.

Zero respect for zombie here. None.

Me neither, I have to say. Used to piss me off the way she would derail a new thread on the subject of Glenn Beck or whatever at post #7 or something, with her latest breathlessly related ‘scoop’. Reminded me of crazy Pam. Definitely a shameless traffic sponge.

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Bagua Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:03:55pm replyquote

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re: #319 Sharmuta

[…]this sort of thing is called fraud.

It is fraud, if only because it violates the terms of use repeated on every open registration.

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Racer X Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:04:39pm replyquote

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re: #321 Charles

This bridge is completely burned.

A fitting Epitaph.

Youtube Video

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Drogheda Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:05:17pm replyquote

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re: #319 Sharmuta

Yes I saw those. Shades of Socky McSockpuppet there.

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iceweasel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:06:53pm replyquote

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re: #313 Charles

Yes, I had a real problem with the claim that zombie saw Van Jones at Truther events. If I tried to float such a flimsy story, without ANY evidence for it, people would have jumped down my back instantly.

It smelled like a lie. And it almost certainly was.

Yes. You even made the point on that thread or elsewhere that if you’d claimed you’d seen someone at a rally but couldn’t give out the information, people would have gone crazy ripping on you. And they would have.

It was bullshit. The most charitable interpretation of it (which i did give somewhere in that thread) is that Zombie was so biased she’d call something a truther rally when it was merely an antiwar rally.

But then I look at the comment i linked, where she slunk back days after being challenged –to claim that Van Jones resigned because of her sooper seekrit info she’d leaked to the MSM.

That’s a clear attempt to get credit, aggrandise herself, and essentially bullshit people. And use LGF to get traffic.

I have tremendous sympathy for you, and for the people here who trusted her, but I have none for her. This is a very good thing for LGF even if it feels bad now.

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Racer X Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:07:23pm replyquote

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Knowledge is a deadly friend
If no one sets the rules.

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Floral Giraffe Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:08:04pm replyquote

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{{{Charles}}}
Hang in there.
You have lots of supporters!

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cenotaphium Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:10:00pm replyquote

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re: #321 Charles

I might not have the history to know this “zombie” character, but that account alone pisses me off. No wonder you feel betrayed.

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beekiller  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:10:34pm replyquote

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re: #322 Sharmuta

I’m sorry, Charles…

ditto, Charles and anyone else who is hurt. As a new member and someone who doesn’t really know the history of this site…I’m just listening and learning instead of butting in.

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Jimmah  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:10:58pm replyquote

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re: #320 iceweasel

I updinged you because I understand and respect the sentiment about longtime posters whom you liked, and the principle of not bashing people– but my points still stand. There was a problem here, a longtanding one, and I was never shy about bringing that straight to zombie when she and I encountered each other. So this isn’t a ‘let’s privately bash a longtime poster’ thing so much as it is a needed corrective.

{FG}

Very much agreed, iceweasel. And again, zombies disingeniousness comes out here. We criticized her “Bush Death Threats” post when she floated it on LGF, to the extent of telling her it was just a terrible idea intended only to deflect attention away from more accurate and relevant criticism of the madness on the right today, only to find ourselves “credited” – if that is the right word – on her blog with ‘helping’ her to put the post together. Not good.

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austin_blue Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:11:20pm replyquote

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re: #325 Racer X

A fitting Epitaph.


[Video]

Frippertronics. Good stuff.

Sad about zombie. Teh craziness is bad out there right now. But I have no sympathy for zombie. It’s ego got it into this position. It wanted to present itself as an impartial observer, but it’s now obvious that was never the case.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:13:31pm replyquote

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re: #289 Charles

By the way — I know for a fact that zombie and Chicken Kiev were not just sharing an IP address. They were the SAME person. My correlator tool absolutely confirms this. (Yes, I really do have a correlator tool.)

What IS a correlator tool?

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:13:57pm replyquote

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Yes, I feel betrayed but I don’t feel hurt — I feel pissed off more than anything else.

Don’t worry, I’ll be just fine. I refuse to let back-stabbing scum affect my peace of mind.

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Charles  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:14:28pm replyquote

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re: #334 SanFranciscoZionist

What IS a correlator tool?

I could tell you, but then I’d have to discorporate you.

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Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:15:00pm replyquote

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re: #316 Floral Giraffe

Floral- I’m sorry if my comments upset you or anyone. I know the truth can be hard, but I think people should see what was done with that sock puppet.

The truth will out.

And as much as it pained me to keep looking at how deep this betrayal goes, I think that Charles and Lizards such as yourself deserve the truth. That’s what I tried to do.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:16:31pm replyquote

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re: #291 Charles

I would appreciate it if people don’t discuss this in public threads, please.

OK, but Charles, there’s folks listening in as we type. The supply of sockpuppets appears to be infinite. But you know that.

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Floral Giraffe Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:20:12pm replyquote

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re: #337 Sharmuta

Thank you for the response.
I’m not upset.
I don’t have a dog in this fight.

Thank you for taking the time to respond.

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Cato the Elder Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:20:56pm replyquote

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Zombie’s one and only agenda is to discredit the left. The right? Well, nothing to see there.

That thread was a fine example. What was it about? The fact that you can by a Che Guevara shirt for your kid at some store in Berkeley. Ooh, shocking revelation. Have to stay undercover and remain anonymous for that, otherwise who knows what might happen…

In the comments someone pointed out little kids at the tea parties holding up signs about Obama being roadkill or whatever. Completely dismissed. In fact, they made a joke out of it.

Zombie is blind in the right eye.

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iceweasel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:21:23pm replyquote

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re: #338 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, but Charles, there’s folks listening in as we type. The supply of sockpuppets appears to be infinite. But you know that.

Yes, but the big picture here isn’t the stalkers and weirdos– it’s all the new readers. And they can’t read private threads til they register.

We have many, many more readers than we have registered readers, and only a small fraction of the registered regularly comment.

Flame wars, talk of stalker blogs, all this inside baseball blogwar stuff– needs to be kept on the locked threads whenever possible, to increase readership here. It’s shooting up as it is and will continue to do so, and they don’t care about this stuff.

/my evil genius opinion only from my own time blogging, heh.

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Floral Giraffe Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:21:33pm replyquote

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Goodnight, all.
Tomorrow WILL be a better day!
(Especially if you get some more sleep in)

Later.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:21:35pm replyquote

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re: #295 cenotaphium

It’s beyond creepy when the sockpuppets start talking to “each other”.

Being new here, I have to ask; is this craziness (flouncing, backstabbing, stalker blogs) new, or an ongoing issue?

We’re going through a difficult patch. Technical difficulties. Please stand by.

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freetoken Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:23:05pm replyquote

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re: #340 Cato the Elder

Zombie’s one and only agenda is to discredit the left.

I think there is more to it than that.

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Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:24:53pm replyquote

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re: #343 SanFranciscoZionist

We’re going through a difficult patch. Technical difficulties. Please stand by.

This started 2 years ago with vlaams belang and their poster girl pamela geller. That’s when LGF first started getting melt downs and flounces and back stabbings and smears from people on the right. Considering the rise of extremism on the right in the last two years, I don’t think this is necessarily unrelated.

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austin_blue Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:25:34pm replyquote

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Night all.

Sweet dreams.

This, too, shall pass.

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Cato the Elder Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:28:13pm replyquote

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re: #344 freetoken

I think there is more to it than that.

Do tell.

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Jimmah  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:30:48pm replyquote

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re: #340 Cato the Elder

Zombie’s one and only agenda is to discredit the left. The right? Well, nothing to see there.

That thread was a fine example. What was it about? The fact that you can by a Che Guevara shirt for your kid at some store in Berkeley. Ooh, shocking revelation. Have to stay undercover and remain anonymous for that, otherwise who knows what might happen…

More shocking revelations here :

[Link: 209.85.229.132…]

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Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:31:59pm replyquote

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re: #345 Sharmuta

This started 2 years ago with vlaams belang and their poster girl pamela geller. That’s when LGF first started getting melt downs and flounces and back stabbings and smears from people on the right. Considering the rise of extremism on the right in the last two years, I don’t think this is necessarily unrelated.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:33:36pm replyquote

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re: #336 Charles

I could tell you, but then I’d have to discorporate you.

Well, OK. I don’t need to know. (Googling isn’t helping.)

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Cato the Elder Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:33:59pm replyquote

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re: #348 Jimmah

More shocking revelations here :

[Link: 209.85.229.132…]

I remember laughing myself silly over that one, and telling the undead one it was, er, underwhelming. Oh, my! Indecent doggie art funded by taxpayers! Whatever could be next?

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Cato the Elder Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:38:09pm replyquote

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re: #340 Cato the Elder

PIMF: “…buy a Che Guevara shirt…”

For your kid! In Berkeley! The sky is falling!

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Gus 802 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:38:12pm replyquote

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re: #349 Sharmuta

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Looks like the seeds were already there for a disagreement regarding VB.

Reading through that thread is rather revealing. That was 2 years ago and it was rather contentious. Much nicer here now.

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Cato the Elder Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:39:11pm replyquote

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re: #352 Cato the Elder

Next thing you know, Obama will be talking to little Johnnie on teevee!

Oh, wait…

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Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:39:34pm replyquote

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re: #353 Gus 802

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

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Gus 802 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:39:46pm replyquote

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re: #348 Jimmah

More shocking revelations here :

[Link: 209.85.229.132…]

I remember blowing that off. Something to the effect of it’s Berkeley and you really can’t see those tiny dogs. Don’t feel like looking up my comments but it was effectively “what’s the big deal.”

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Gus 802 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:40:53pm replyquote

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re: #355 Sharmuta

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Yikes! That’s really going “out on a limb” isn’t it.

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iceweasel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:40:56pm replyquote

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re: #340 Cato the Elder

Zombie is blind in the right eye.

Absolutely. Like deciding the number one issue now isn’t that Obama’s death threats quadrupled, but that they’re selling Che T-shirts and some lefties carried some mean signs a few years ago.

Heh. Irrelevant.

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cenotaphium Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:41:27pm replyquote

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re: #351 Cato the Elder

I cracked up at the seemingly very serious commentary “This is the “shitting dog” sculpture (illuminated this time with a camera flash, so the anal area is more clearly visible).”.
Go for the gusto in that depiction of really despicable art! And be sure to get a clear picture of the anal area.

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Jimmah  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:42:46pm replyquote

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re: #351 Cato the Elder

I remember laughing myself silly over that one, and telling the undead one it was, er, underwhelming. Oh, my! Indecent doggie art funded by taxpayers! Whatever could be next?

Things were no better in Virginia, as far as I can tell…

[Link: i238.photobucket.com…]

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Gus 802 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:42:49pm replyquote

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re: #358 iceweasel

Absolutely. Like deciding the number one issue now isn’t that Obama’s death threats quadrupled, but that they’re selling Che T-shirts and some lefties carried some mean signs a few years ago.

Heh. Irrelevant.

We interrupt this program to bring you the following special report.

Our investigative news team has uncovered a Che t-shirt being sold at a Berkeley clothing store.

Think of the children.

//

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:42:58pm replyquote

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What a balagan.

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Jimmah  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:44:43pm replyquote

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re: #356 Gus 802

I remember blowing that off. Something to the effect of it’s Berkeley and you really can’t see those tiny dogs. Don’t feel like looking up my comments but it was effectively “what’s the big deal.”

Yep. That was a real ‘Daily Mail’ mentality freak out.

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Irenicum  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:45:06pm replyquote

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re: #310 iceweasel

It was the articles in the Daily Beast and then The Washington Independent that brought me here in the first place. As a person who has views that transcend the left/right divide, I was very pleased to see a blog out there (here) that was willing to call out the crazies for being the nutjobs they are. It has been an eye opener for sure. Charles has, in one sense, pried open something that otherwise would have been left smoldering under wraps were it not for his outing of the fascistas and their fellow travelers. As many like to say teh crazee is bad. But it’s no laughing matter. We’re seeing before our eyes the mainstreaming of extremism in ways that does have historical precedent. That scares the shit out of me. And it needs to be battled with all of our might. Charles is fighting that battle and should be commended for it. And with that, my stupid headached (going on two days now) head is hitting the pillow!

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Gus 802 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:46:34pm replyquote

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re: #363 Jimmah

Yep. That was a real ‘Daily Mail’ mentality freak out.

Were you around when some folks kept bringing up bestiality? I forgot how that always came up. Maybe that was just one person. Came up a lot.

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Cato the Elder Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:47:11pm replyquote

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re: #362 SanFranciscoZionist

What a balagan.

I have a Jewish friend with two very goyishe sounding names, first and last. So he took “Balagan” as his middle moniker.

People rarely ask him what it means – they just think he’s all ethnic ‘n’ shit.

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Cato the Elder Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:49:45pm replyquote

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re: #361 Gus 802

We interrupt this program to bring you the following special report.

Our investigative news team has uncovered a Che t-shirt being sold at a Berkeley clothing store.

Think of the children.

//

If we can save just one kid from having to wear that T-shirt.

Also note that Z. claims not to remember the name of the store, but gives the street just in case one of hiserits readers wants to pay them a visit…

Anonymity for me, but not for thee. Take that, fucking leftists!

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iceweasel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:52:18pm replyquote

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re: #360 Jimmah

Things were no better in Virginia, as far as I can tell…

[Link: i238.photobucket.com…]

ha!

I only laugh harder every time I see that, Jim-ski. Brilliant. 🙂

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Jimmah  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:53:29pm replyquote

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re: #365 Gus 802

Were you around when some folks kept bringing up bestiality? I forgot how that always came up. Maybe that was just one person. Came up a lot.

I don’t remember that specifically although it does ring a vague bell somewhere…

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Gus 802 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:54:26pm replyquote

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re: #367 Cato the Elder

If we can save just one kid from having to wear that T-shirt.

Also note that Z. claims not to remember the name of the store, but gives the street just in case one of hiserits readers wants to pay them a visit…

Anonymity for me, but not for thee. Take that, fucking leftists!

Must be running out of material in the Bay Area. I lived in San Francisco for almost 4 years and most of what Z blogs is rather common. Berkeley would have a protest of any size almost every week and it would result in property damage such as broken storefront windows.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:55:43pm replyquote

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OK. Going to bed. This is just too weird for me to think about right now.

Hang in there, lizards.

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iceweasel  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:56:14pm replyquote

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re: #365 Gus 802

Were you around when some folks kept bringing up bestiality? I forgot how that always came up. Maybe that was just one person. Came up a lot.

I totally missed all that. Kind of glad I did, I guess! Although it seems like I’d have laughed a lot.

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ArchangelMichael  Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:57:16pm replyquote

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re: #372 iceweasel

I totally missed all that. Kind of glad I did, I guess! Although it seems like I’d have laughed a lot.

“A mockery of everything that is good decent and wholesome.”

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Gus 802 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:57:27pm replyquote

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re: #372 iceweasel

I totally missed all that. Kind of glad I did, I guess! Although it seems like I’d have laughed a lot.

I don’t remember the context. It could have been something along the lines of “if they allow gay marriage next thing you know they’ll let you marry a horse.” Or something strange like that.

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Jimmah  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:00:36am replyquote

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re: #374 Gus 802

I don’t remember the context. It could have been something along the lines of “if they allow gay marriage next thing you know they’ll let you marry a horse.” Or something strange like that.

Funnily enough I’m sure we saw zombie getting worked up over the frightful prospect of someone marrying a carpet recently.

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Gus 802 Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:00:58am replyquote

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re: #373 ArchangelMichael

“A mockery of everything that is good decent and wholesome.”

Now I think I remember. Someone brought it up as a major concern and I thought, “well it is rather strange behavior but nothing I’m going to sit around and worry about and neither should the legal system.”

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freetoken Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:01:05am replyquote

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I see that “jackflash” is going on a dinging spree… must be upset. Perhaps some bad pizza?

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Gus 802 Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:02:13am replyquote

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re: #375 Jimmah

Funnily enough I’m sure we saw zombie getting worked up over the frightful prospect of someone marrying a carpet recently.

Seriously?

“I now pronounce you man and carpet.”

//

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Gus 802 Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:04:45am replyquote

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Joe: Hey, want to see the bride to be? There she is.

Bob: That’s nice Joe but that a picture of an off white Stainmaster LotusFX™ with Fiber Shield Technology™.

Joe: Bob, haven’t I told you? I’m going to marry my carpet!

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Jimmah  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:06:05am replyquote

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re: #378 Gus 802

Seriously?

“I now pronounce you man and carpet.”

//

Yeah – someone who had a mental condition that made them fall in love with inanimate objects- she was concerned that they would be allowed to marry the carpet because of Obama’s healthcare plans or something, leading to the downfall of society etc.

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iceweasel  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:07:46am replyquote

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re: #380 Jimmah

Yeah – someone who had a mental condition that made them fall in love with inanimate objects- she was concerned that they would be allowed to marry the carpet because of Obama’s healthcare plans or something, leading to the downfall of society etc.

That’s right! I saw that! Only it wasn’t a carpet, it was a carousel I think?

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LudwigVanQuixote Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:08:21am replyquote

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re: #377 freetoken

I see that “jackflash” is going on a dinging spree… must be upset. Perhaps some bad pizza?

Lol after he got done ranting that he has been extensively searching for years that he has looked at all the AGW papers and has yet to see one on anthropogenic contributions – and the percentage thereof, I linked him five. He’s a bit of a looser.

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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:08:31am replyquote

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re: #371 SanFranciscoZionist

OK. Going to bed. This is just too weird for me to think about right now.

Hang in there, lizards.

It’s weird and sad for me too. I didn’t follow what happened with Zombie until just now and that whole matter is something of a shock to me. I don’t know what to think.

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Gus 802 Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:09:28am replyquote

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re: #380 Jimmah

Yeah – someone who had a mental condition that made them fall in love with inanimate objects- she was concerned that they would be allowed to marry the carpet because of Obama’s healthcare plans or something, leading to the downfall of society etc.

Ah, oh, wow. But of course the key there is “mental condition.” That would mean only someone with a mental condition would want to do something that odd. Somehow, I don’t see a “Carpet Marriage Movement” as being anything to be concerned with.re: #381 iceweasel

That’s right! I saw that! Only it wasn’t a carpet, it was a carousel I think?

This?

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Jimmah  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:10:25am replyquote

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re: #381 iceweasel

That’s right! I saw that! Only it wasn’t a carpet, it was a carousel I think?

Ah yes – a carousel – I think you are right there i-dub 🙂

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Gus 802 Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:11:25am replyquote

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Oops, messed up my last post.

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ArchangelMichael  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:14:48am replyquote

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re: #381 iceweasel

That’s right! I saw that! Only it wasn’t a carpet, it was a carousel I think?

Carousel!!! ZOMG Death Panels!!1!!

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cenotaphium Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:18:03am replyquote

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re: #387 ArchangelMichael

Carousel!!! ZOMG Death Panels!!1!!

Murder-go-rounds!

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Gus 802 Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:19:07am replyquote

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re: #388 cenotaphium

Murder-go-rounds!

Next time we come carpeted.

//

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LudwigVanQuixote Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:19:55am replyquote

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re: #377 freetoken

I see that “jackflash” is going on a dinging spree… must be upset. Perhaps some bad pizza?

Now he has eight papers he claims he has never been able to find. I would love to see how he rants about how he could not possibly read any of them.

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iceweasel  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:20:37am replyquote

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re: #387 ArchangelMichael

Carousel!!! ZOMG Death Panels!!1!!

A mockery of everything that is good decent and wholesome…
🙂

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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:22:20am replyquote

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Good night, all. I’ll be back in the morning.

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iceweasel  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:23:28am replyquote

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Later folks!

Youtube Video

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beekiller  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:24:05am replyquote

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Good night, everyone. It’s been fun spending more time than usual lurking and learning from you guys.

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Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:24:10am replyquote

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People flounced over this sock puppet huckster. That pisses me off. People flipped out if she faced the slightest criticism, such as- she wasn’t meticulous, *gasp* the horror! and flounced! Over a fraud. A playah. A getting picked up by alex jones and wnd sock puppeteer. That’s a damn shame. I hope they enjoy the kook fodder more than LGF, cuz now they’re locked out.

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Gus 802 Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:26:19am replyquote

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re: #392 Dark_Falcon

re: #393 iceweasel

Go ahead and leave now!

Later.

Machine Gun – Jimi Hendrix

Youtube Video

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Gus 802 Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:35:09am replyquote

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re: #395 Sharmuta

People flounced over this sock puppet huckster. That pisses me off. People flipped out if she faced the slightest criticism, such as- she wasn’t meticulous, *gasp* the horror! and flounced! Over a fraud. A playah. A getting picked up by alex jones and wnd sock puppeteer. That’s a damn shame. I hope they enjoy the kook fodder more than LGF, cuz now they’re locked out.

That is the crux of it all. If we are to be anti-idiotarians, skeptics, we can’t make exceptions. I’ve been subjected to criticism and so should anyone else and that could have included Z. There are no sacred cows. She could have stuck around. It was her choice to make that long distance flounce and it turns out she had sock puppets.

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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 5, 2009 1:23:29am replyquote

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re: #299 Sharmuta

There are a lot more comments from zombie praising ‘Chicken Kiev’ that I didn’t post. She seemed quite fond of herself.

The problem is that this sort of astroturfing completely discredits zombie’s work. Multiple sources are named, giving projects an air of peer review and independent contributions that is now revealed to be false in at least one case. One is left wondering whether any of the other contributors listed actually exist, or are merely props being used to create an impression of consensus within a “group” that doesn’t actually exist.

Collaboration, in fact, does not seem to be one of zombie’s strong points. His/er recent posts here, previewing a couple of articles before their wide release on the blog, were done asking for critical review prior to publication. This is a commendable action, but when readers offered actual criticism of any sort it was met with scorn and derision from someone obviously too vested in their own product to accept that it might stand improvement. I didn’t think too much of this at the time, other than to note the odd, overly possessive and thin-skinned reaction to even the mildest critiques, but it is beginning to make a bit more sense in light of these revelations.

Too bad. Although between that and zombie’s incessant blog flogging while here, I can’t say it’s a presence I’ll miss much.

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iceweasel  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 1:39:15am replyquote

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re: #398 SixDegrees

The problem is that this sort of astroturfing completely discredits zombie’s work. Multiple sources are named, giving projects an air of peer review and independent contributions that is now revealed to be false in at least one case. One is left wondering whether any of the other contributors listed actually exist, or are merely props being used to create an impression of consensus within a “group” that doesn’t actually exist.

Collaboration, in fact, does not seem to be one of zombie’s strong points. His/er recent posts here, previewing a couple of articles before their wide release on the blog, were done asking for critical review prior to publication. This is a commendable action, but when readers offered actual criticism of any sort it was met with scorn and derision from someone obviously too vested in their own product to accept that it might stand improvement. I didn’t think too much of this at the time, other than to note the odd, overly possessive and thin-skinned reaction to even the mildest critiques, but it is beginning to make a bit more sense in light of these revelations.

Too bad. Although between that and zombie’s incessant blog flogging while here, I can’t say it’s a presence I’ll miss much.

Well said. Quoted because it’s all true and needs to be stressed.

Zed even ‘hattipped’ Jimmah and myself on a post– although she’d taken zero notice of our criticisms (except to freak out here when we offered them, at her request) and never responded to them in any substantive way.

She later used the fact that she’d ‘hat-tipped’ us as ‘proof’ that she wanted criticism and was listening to it. Not true at all. It was a scam designed to lend herself credibility. And she made a point of mentioning here, in comments, that she’d hat-tipped us– as ‘proof’ that she wanted criticism and could withstand it.

All lies. She wanted traffic and attention, and would have wet herself in delight if I or Jimmah cared enough to go to her blog to refute her (AGAIN)– which is precisely why we did not.

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Cato the Elder Mon, Oct 5, 2009 6:30:00am replyquote

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There is just one wee problem with the way this went down.

First we get this:

re: #176 Irish Rose

I went over to Zombies’ blog this morning to leave a comment about all of the posts there bashing Charles and LGF. I told her I was disappointed in her and I reminded her that Charles has been a good friend to her.

She removed my post, and left the hate posts up.

Seriously Zombie, if you’re reading this… wtf?

Then this:

re: #179 Sharmuta

your comment wasn’t removed.

I checked too, Sharmuta. It wasn’t, and it isn’t.

Over at Zombie’s blog, someone had this to say:

Irish Rose is toast.

She just lied through her teeth in order to get zombie banned at LGF.

Here’s what she wrote at comment #176 of today’s “private thread” on LGF:

176 Irish Rose Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:59:05pm [etc.]

The problem, Ms. Rose, is that your LGF comment can easily proven to be a lie. All one needs to go is come to this thread and look at comment #125 above.

Your comment is still there!!!

How, m’lady, are you going to explain that? And how can you explain away your blantant backstabbing lie to Charles at LGF?

This is beyond the pale. In the old days of LGF, what you just did was itself a banworthy offense. Instead of zombie being banned from LGF, it is you who should be banned.

Your credibility rating just dropped to zero. Permanently.

Indeed.

What need of the lie, Rose? The comments there were certainly bad enough, why come and tell us you were deleted when you weren’t? You know these private threads aren’t private.

Unless Zombie deleted you, then reposted your comment, just to make you look bad. Trouble is, that can’t be, because your post is time-stamped at 8:00 A.M., and people were responding to it continually throughout the day.

Whatever. Personally, I find your persona as LGF’s resident watchdog has worn out. You just handed “them” a victory. “They” can crow about your tactics now. And they will. I don’t waste my time with Rodan and friends, but I guarantee you they’re flapping their gums about it this very second.

I told you before that your self-appointed role as keeper of the flame and challenger of the flaming insane was doing more harm than good.

The break between LGF and Zombietime was coming, but you had to lie to speed it up?

As if there weren’t enough shit bubbling to the surface all over the place without you stirring it for us.

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marjoriemoon Mon, Oct 5, 2009 6:44:35am replyquote

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re: #260 Charles

The rat appears to be zombie.

Good morning Charles and Lizards.

I hardly know what to say. I’m just reading through the thread now. I never would have guessed it was Zombie copying the threads! So shocking. I’m so very sorry. ((Charles))

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Irish Rose  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 6:57:28am replyquote

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re: #400 Cato the Elder

You and the other people who are howling might want to brush up your reading skills.

See my #186.

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Cato the Elder Mon, Oct 5, 2009 7:01:37am replyquote

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Yep, I buy that. You accidentally thought your comment was deleted.

Whatevs.

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iceweasel  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 7:01:42am replyquote

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re: #400 Cato the Elder

Cato– you know I love you, but I think Rose made an honest mistake when she thought her comment was deleted. She even answered Sharmuta and admitted as much.

Also, Rose’s comment isn’t the reason for the way things went down– not by a long shot. Zombie ultimately got blocked because Charles busted her spying in on this thread and copying comments using a sockpuppet of hers. Zombie had previously used that sockpuppet to pimp her own work, as Sharm showed above. I’m fairly certain she used that sockpuppet to downding me several times as well.

And as you say, this was in the works for months– because of zombie’s own behaviour — and her card was marked from the minute she decided to leave up nasty comments about LGF and Charles on her site. She’d obviously seen them.

The only way Irish Rose’s comment could be at all causally connected to ‘the way things went down’ is that it MIGHT be the proximate cause of Zombie sneaking over here to look at this particular private thread yesterday, and so her being busted yesterday– but it clearly would have happened anyway because Zombie would have been caught doing that sooner or later.

love,
iDub

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iceweasel  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 7:10:11am replyquote

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Semi-OT:

There is obviously going to be a shitstorm on the right and gn stalker blogs about this. Someone joked upthread about zombie doing an ‘expose’ on LGF as well and I wouldn’t be surprised if she did.

Also, many bewildered lizards are going to be asking in good faith “What happened to our beloved zombie?”

Charles has already said he doesn’t want this discussed on public threads. Maybe we should all have a sort of informal policy, when the topic comes up on LGF, of saying “Yeah, Zombie’s gone, it was discussed here” and pointing people to the thread? And then refusing to discuss it further (publicly for sure)?

Does this make sense to people? I’m thinking about LGF and the future, and how talking about this is deadly boring to all the new readers, and also the way rumours spread. Thoughts?

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Cato the Elder Mon, Oct 5, 2009 7:16:04am replyquote

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Me, I’m done with it. No further comment.

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Irish Rose  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 7:41:02am replyquote

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re: #406 Cato the Elder

Me, I’m done with it. No further comment.

I’ll refrain from saying what I think.

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Irish Rose  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 7:44:00am replyquote

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re: #401 marjoriemoon

Good morning Charles and Lizards.

I hardly know what to say. I’m just reading through the thread now. I never would have guessed it was Zombie copying the threads! So shocking. I’m so very sorry. ((Charles))

So am I, Charles.
You don’t deserve this kind of treatment.

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marjoriemoon Mon, Oct 5, 2009 8:06:04am replyquote

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re: #405 iceweasel

Semi-OT:

There is obviously going to be a shitstorm on the right and gn stalker blogs about this. Someone joked upthread about zombie doing an ‘expose’ on LGF as well and I wouldn’t be surprised if she did.

Also, many bewildered lizards are going to be asking in good faith “What happened to our beloved zombie?”

Charles has already said he doesn’t want this discussed on public threads. Maybe we should all have a sort of informal policy, when the topic comes up on LGF, of saying “Yeah, Zombie’s gone, it was discussed here” and pointing people to the thread? And then refusing to discuss it further (publicly for sure)?

Does this make sense to people? I’m thinking about LGF and the future, and how talking about this is deadly boring to all the new readers, and also the way rumours spread. Thoughts?

I think folks who know Zombie and her past relationship here already realize that this was coming down the pike, mostly from her marked absence from posting so no explanation is really needed.

For the rest and to avoid further crappy drama over it, I think it suffices to say, “Zombie’s gone” and that’s it. It’s pretty easy to search out the drama on your own.

LGF owes nothing whatsoever to this person, not by the way of explanation, nothing. For goodness sake, I remember OMG so clearly that Charles paid for her way to the Dem Convention!

She couldn’t have taken the high road. She couldn’t have simply said, “I disagree with LGF now, but I won’t tolerate badmouthing him.” What a fucking user, my gawd. (sorry I had to get that out).

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SasyMomaCat Mon, Oct 5, 2009 8:12:54am replyquote

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Okay, finally finished reading through this (between tasks at work) after seeing a reference on the overnight open. Disheartening, but not surprising. It is sad to see. But I have to agree that this is, ultimately, good for LGF. Painful, but essential to the “health” of this blog. Just wanted to chime in to express my regrets to Charles for this betrayal and my wishes that the increased interest from anit-idiotarians of across the political spectrum will continue to grow.

Now back to lurking before IT slaps my wrist for posting on blogs on company time/equipment.

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Charles  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 8:35:34am replyquote

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re: #400 Cato the Elder

Irish Rose’s comment had nothing to do with this.

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Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 8:36:54am replyquote

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re: #398 SixDegrees

The problem is that this sort of astroturfing completely discredits zombie’s work. Multiple sources are named, giving projects an air of peer review and independent contributions that is now revealed to be false in at least one case. One is left wondering whether any of the other contributors listed actually exist, or are merely props being used to create an impression of consensus within a “group” that doesn’t actually exist.

Collaboration, in fact, does not seem to be one of zombie’s strong points. His/er recent posts here, previewing a couple of articles before their wide release on the blog, were done asking for critical review prior to publication. This is a commendable action, but when readers offered actual criticism of any sort it was met with scorn and derision from someone obviously too vested in their own product to accept that it might stand improvement. I didn’t think too much of this at the time, other than to note the odd, overly possessive and thin-skinned reaction to even the mildest critiques, but it is beginning to make a bit more sense in light of these revelations.

Too bad. Although between that and zombie’s incessant blog flogging while here, I can’t say it’s a presence I’ll miss much.

When I saw Charles’ comment about the sock, I was shocked. After that, I wondered how often she interacted with herself, and I certainly had no idea she’d used her sock in her work. I did think it needed to pointed out, once I found it, because it raises some serious questions, imo, about the integrity of her work.

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iceweasel  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 8:41:02am replyquote

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re: #410 SasyMomaCat

Okay, finally finished reading through this (between tasks at work) after seeing a reference on the overnight open. Disheartening, but not surprising. It is sad to see. But I have to agree that this is, ultimately, good for LGF. Painful, but essential to the “health” of this blog. Just wanted to chime in to express my regrets to Charles for this betrayal and my wishes that the increased interest from anit-idiotarians of across the political spectrum will continue to grow.

Now back to lurking before IT slaps my wrist for posting on blogs on company time/equipment.

hey! Do i remember you looking for me a few weeks back on a thread? i missed it then but I’m here now. (agree with your post as well, btw)

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iceweasel  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 8:58:32am replyquote

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re: #409 marjoriemoon


She couldn’t have taken the high road. She couldn’t have simply said, “I disagree with LGF now, but I won’t tolerate badmouthing him.” What a fucking user, my gawd. (sorry I had to get that out).

I’m just an observer here, but a longtime blogger and reader elsewhere in the political blogosphere, so—

She should have immediately said after the first negative comment : “i won’t tolerate anyone bashing LGF or CJ in my comments, and any further discussion on this will be deleted.”
Bottom line. That’s MINIMAL decency—and notice it doesn’t even require her to defend anyone or declare her own position!

And any problems she had with Charles ought to have been brought to him privately, because of the long working relationship they’d had and all he’d done for her.
Again, that is only minimal decency. This is how normal people in the rest of the sane blogopshere handle such things.

IMO Zombie basically had a spite-fuelled rage when Charles wouldn’t sign onto her Holdren stuff wholesale (although he was still kind enough to make it a post), and she went completely mental when he didn’t post her bullshit about Obama death threats at all. She did all this to herself out of total spite because she wasn’t getting those sweet tasty LGF hits any more on her new ‘reports’ (for good reason, as they were on such cutting edge topics as the availability of Che Tshirts in a nameless boutique in Berkeley).

Plus the various freaks and stalkers have been cheering her on for some time and urging her to post on their blogs and denounce LGF.

So yeah, “fucking user” is exactly right in my opinion.

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SasyMomaCat  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 8:59:07am replyquote

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re: #413 iceweasel

hey! Do i remember you looking for me a few weeks back on a thread? i missed it then but I’m here now. (agree with your post as well, btw)

(hope I’m using the quote button right – don’t post much)

hi, IW – yes, I was looking for you a few weekends ago – could you e-mail me? My nic is blue in this response. It may take a bit for me to get back with you, but I’ll write before day’s end. Looking for someone to write book reviews from a political POV and you were one of the folks that first popped into my mind. If you’re interested at all, let me know. Thanks for asking!

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Liberal Classic Mon, Oct 5, 2009 9:02:50am replyquote

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I’m fairly new here, so I don’t know if you all care to hear my take on things, but blogs are about talking. And people like to talk about talking, and who is and is not talking to whom.

One aspect of political or religious extremism is that it demands ideological conformity. Take as an example the friction that will develop between a Christian churchgoer of a mainstream Protestant denomination and a charismatic pentecostalist or Latter Rain Christian. They’ll agree on general theology, but tension will develop because the mainstream positions do not agree in all particulars with the charismatic positions. To the charismatic the mainstream person has some serious things wrong and is in peril. Mainstream responses and criticism of the charismatic position will be met with hostility. For political and religious extremism, criticism of the group is almost the same thing as betrayal and siding with the enemy.

The same thing is going on here. The far right was happy with LGF so long as it pointing out foibles of the left. To the extremist, it is like making a convert. Converts are important not only because they are familiar with opposition arguments, but because they are valuable trophies. This is why among religious fringe you see “cured homosexuals” and “former atheists” placed on pedestals, almost on exhibit. I think for some time, the far right was thinking Charles was a convert. When it turned out not to be so, the result is the strong backlash we’re witnessing now.

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Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 9:08:02am replyquote

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re: #416 redneckkahfir

No- she was logged onto THIS thread, here- the one you’re reading now. With her sock puppet. The same sock puppet she used to mask herself in her own work. She knew damned good and well what was going on on her own site.

Besides- people from other back stabbing sites have been in touch with her. There has been a campaign behind the scenes to get zombie to leave LGF. They should all be happy now they worked so hard for someone of such impeccable character as to lie in her work.

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iceweasel  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 9:08:38am replyquote

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re: #416 redneckkahfir

The very fact that zombie has not even been on this thread for five days,

The very fact that you say this proves you haven’t read this thread or the reasons why she was banned. Biased much?

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redneckkahfir[deleted]  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 9:11:07am

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Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 9:12:01am replyquote

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re: #420 redneckkahfir

No- there is no misunderstanding.

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Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 9:12:29am replyquote

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re: #421 Sharmuta

No- there is no misunderstanding.

Well- except maybe for you, redneckkahfir.

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iceweasel  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 9:20:12am replyquote

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re: #420 redneckkahfir

I am only trying to be biased in favor of fairness.

Is it not possible that this is a misunderstanding?

If you cared about fairness, you’d read the thread and see why she was actually banned. And it isn’t for the reasons you’re being told on her blog or elsewhere.

And if you read the thread, you’d see that there is no misunderstanding here at all. Except your own.

Sorry if this comes off harsh, but dude, please– read the thread! This issue starts at 251.

if you really care about ‘fairness’, you’ll make sure you know the real reasons why she was banned before venturing an opinion about whether the banning was ‘fair’ or not.

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Charles  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 9:21:25am replyquote

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Meltdowns are expected. That’s the third one already this morning.

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Charles  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 9:22:30am replyquote

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P.S. And anyone who thinks it might be a good idea to dare me to ban them will discover that I take that as an invitation.

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medaura18586  Mon, Oct 5, 2009 9:28:40am replyquote

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re: #424 Charles

Frig… I so much as blinked and missed that!

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