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I think Netanyahu just sold out Israel. Did Netanyahu just sell out Israel?

Posted by avideditor on June 14, 2009

I am sorry but any call for a “pali” state in Israel is a sell out. The jihadis can do there best to rewrite history but they are not going to fool me. Jordan was created for the muslim. Israel for the jews. I hope his speach point that out but it did not.

Israel is still playing the price for giving up the Gaza Strip. Giving the muslims any more of Israel is a mistake. IMHO

Certain bloggers I used to look up to disagree with me. I draw a line in the sand on this Issue. Israel should never trade any land for peace IMHO. Read other views at Atlas or Holiger Awakens I hope they change their minds soon before they mislead other with their poisonous interpretation.

You can read the transcript below.

There are people that I used to respect making the assertion that his speaech was

Honored guests, citizens of Israel.
Peace has always been our people’s most ardent desire. Our prophets gave the world the vision of peace, we greet one another with wishes of peace, and our prayers conclude with the word peace.

We are gathered this evening in an institution named for two pioneers of peace, Menachem Begin and Anwar Sadat, and we share in their vision.

Two and half months ago, I took the oath of office as the Prime Minister of Israel. I pledged to establish a national unity government – and I did. I believed and I still believe that unity was essential for us now more than ever as we face three immense challenges – the Iranian threat, the economic crisis, and the advancement of peace.

The Iranian threat looms large before us, as was further demonstrated yesterday. The greatest danger confronting Israel, the Middle East, the entire world and human race, is the nexus between radical Islam and nuclear weapons. I discussed this issue with President Obama during my recent visit to Washington, and I will raise it again in my meetings next week with European leaders. For years, I have been working tirelessly to forge an international alliance to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.

Confronting a global economic crisis, the government acted swiftly to stabilize Israel’s economy. We passed a two year budget in the government – and the Knesset will soon approve it.

And the third challenge, so exceedingly important, is the advancement of peace. I also spoke about this with President Obama, and I fully support the idea of a regional peace that he is leading.

I share the President’s desire to bring about a new era of reconciliation in our region. To this end, I met with President Mubarak in Egypt, and King Abdullah in Jordan, to elicit the support of these leaders in expanding the circle of peace in our region.

I turn to all Arab leaders tonight and I say: “Let us meet. Let us speak of peace and let us make peace. I am ready to meet with you at any time. I am willing to go to Damascus, to Riyadh, to Beirut, to any place- including Jerusalem.
I call on the Arab countries to cooperate with the Palestinians and with us to advance an economic peace. An economic peace is not a substitute for a political peace, but an important element to achieving it. Together, we can undertake projects to overcome the scarcities of our region, like water desalination or to maximize its advantages, like developing solar energy, or laying gas and petroleum lines, and transportation links between Asia, Africa and Europe.

The economic success of the Gulf States has impressed us all and it has impressed me. I call on the talented entrepreneurs of the Arab world to come and invest here and to assist the Palestinians – and us – in spurring the economy.

Together, we can develop industrial areas that will generate thousands of jobs and create tourist sites that will attract millions of visitors eager to walk in the footsteps of history – in Nazareth and in Bethlehem, around the walls of Jericho and the walls of Jerusalem, on the banks of the Sea of Galilee and the baptismal site of the Jordan.
There is an enormous potential for archeological tourism, if we can only learn to cooperate and to develop it.

I turn to you, our Palestinian neighbors, led by the Palestinian Authority, and I say: Let’s begin
negotiations immediately without preconditions.
Israel is obligated by its international commitments and expects all parties to keep their commitments.

We want to live with you in peace, as good neighbors. We want our children and your children to never again experience war: that parents, brothers and sisters will never again know the agony of losing loved ones in battle; that our children will be able to dream of a better future and realize that dream; and that together we will invest our energies in plowshares and pruning hooks, not swords and spears.

I know the face of war. I have experienced battle. I lost close friends, I lost a brother. I have seen the pain of bereaved families. I do not want war. No one in Israel wants war.

If we join hands and work together for peace, there is no limit to the development and prosperity we can achieve for our two peoples – in the economy, agriculture, trade, tourism and education – most importantly, in providing our youth a better world in which to live, a life full of tranquility, creativity, opportunity and hope.

If the advantages of peace are so evident, we must ask ourselves why peace remains so remote, even as our hand remains outstretched to peace? Why has this conflict continued for more than sixty years?

In order to bring an end to the conflict, we must give an honest and forthright answer to the question: What is the root of the conflict?

In his speech to the first Zionist Conference in Basel, the founder of the Zionist movement, Theodore Herzl, said about the Jewish national home “This idea is so big that we must speak of it only in the simplest terms.” Today, I will speak about the immense challenge of peace in the simplest words possible.

Even as we look toward the horizon, we must be firmly connected to reality, to the truth. And the simple truth is that the root of the conflict was, and remains, the refusal to recognize the right of the Jewish people to a state of their own, in their historic homeland.

In 1947, when the United Nations proposed the partition plan of a Jewish state and an Arab state, the entire Arab world rejected the resolution. The Jewish community, by contrast, welcomed it by dancing and rejoicing.

The Arabs rejected any Jewish state, in any borders.

Those who think that the continued enmity toward Israel is a product of our presence in Judea, Samaria and Gaza, is confusing cause and consequence.

The attacks against us began in the 1920s, escalated into a comprehensive attack in 1948 with the declaration of Israel’s independence, continued with the fedayeen attacks in the 1950s, and climaxed in 1967, on the eve of the six-day war, in an attempt to tighten a noose around the neck of the State of Israel.

All this occurred during the fifty years before a single Israeli soldier ever set foot in Judea and Samaria .

Fortunately, Egypt and Jordan left this circle of enmity. The signing of peace treaties have brought about an end to their claims against Israel, an end to the conflict. But to our regret, this is not the case with the Palestinians. The closer we get to an agreement with them, the further they retreat and raise demands that are inconsistent with a true desire to end the conflict.

Many good people have told us that withdrawal from territories is the key to peace with the Palestinians. Well, we withdrew. But the fact is that every withdrawal was met with massive waves of terror, by suicide bombers and thousands of missiles.

We tried to withdraw with an agreement and without an agreement. We tried a partial withdrawal and a full withdrawal. In 2000 and again last year, Israel proposed an almost total withdrawal in exchange for an end to the conflict, and twice our offers were rejected.

We evacuated every last inch of the Gaza strip, we uprooted tens of settlements and evicted thousands of Israelis from their homes, and in response, we received a hail of missiles on our cities, towns and children.

The claim that territorial withdrawals will bring peace with the Palestinians, or at least advance peace, has up till now not stood the test of reality.

In addition to this, Hamas in the south, like Hezbollah in the north, repeatedly proclaims their commitment to “liberate” the Israeli cities of Ashkelon, Beersheba, Acre and Haifa.
Territorial withdrawals have not lessened the hatred, and to our regret, Palestinian moderates are not yet ready to say the simple words: Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people, and it will stay that way.

Achieving peace will require courage and candor from both sides, and not only from the Israeli side.
The Palestinian leadership must arise and say: “Enough of this conflict. We recognize the right of the Jewish people to a state of their own in this land, and we are prepared to live beside you in true peace.”
I am yearning for that moment, for when Palestinian leaders say those words to our people and to their people, then a path will be opened to resolving all the problems between our peoples, no matter how complex they may be.

Therefore, a fundamental prerequisite for ending the conflict is a public, binding and unequivocal Palestinian recognition of Israel as the nation state of the Jewish people.
To vest this declaration with practical meaning, there must also be a clear understanding that the Palestinian refugee problem will be resolved outside Israel’s borders. For it is clear that any demand for resettling Palestinian refugees within Israel undermines Israel’s continued existence as the state of the Jewish people.

The Palestinian refugee problem must be solved, and it can be solved, as we ourselves proved in a similar situation. Tiny Israel successfully absorbed tens of thousands of Jewish refugees who left their homes and belongings in Arab countries.
Therefore, justice and logic demand that the Palestinian refugee problem be solved outside Israel’s borders. On this point, there is a broad national consensus. I believe that with goodwill and international investment, this humanitarian problem can be permanently resolved.

So far I have spoken about the need for Palestinians to recognize our rights. In am moment, I will speak openly about our need to recognize their rights.
But let me first say that the connection between the Jewish people and the Land of Israel has lasted for more than 3500 years. Judea and Samaria, the places where Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, David and Solomon, and Isaiah and Jeremiah lived, are not alien to us. This is the land of our forefathers.

The right of the Jewish people to a state in the land of Israel does not derive from the catastrophes that have plagued our people. True, for 2000 years the Jewish people suffered expulsions, pogroms, blood libels, and massacres which culminated in a Holocaust – a suffering which has no parallel in human history.
There are those who say that if the Holocaust had not occurred, the state of Israel would never have been established. But I say that if the state of Israel would have been established earlier, the Holocaust would not have occured.
This tragic history of powerlessness explains why the Jewish people need a sovereign power of self-defense.
But our right to build our sovereign state here, in the land of Israel, arises from one simple fact: this is the homeland of the Jewish people, this is where our identity was forged.
As Israel’s first Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion proclaimed in Israel’s Declaration of Independence: “The Jewish people arose in the land of Israel and it was here that its spiritual, religious and political character was shaped. Here they attained their sovereignty, and here they bequeathed to the world their national and cultural treasures, and the most eternal of books.”

But we must also tell the truth in its entirety: within this homeland lives a large Palestinian community. We do not want to rule over them, we do not want to govern their lives, we do not want to impose either our flag or our culture on them.

In my vision of peace, in this small land of ours, two peoples live freely, side-by-side, in amity and mutual respect. Each will have its own flag, its own national anthem, its own government. Neither will threaten the security or survival of the other.

These two realities – our connection to the land of Israel, and the Palestinian population living within it – have created deep divisions in Israeli society. But the truth is that we have much more that unites us than divides us.
I have come tonight to give expression to that unity, and to the principles of peace and security on which there is broad agreement within Israeli society. These are the principles that guide our policy.

This policy must take into account the international situation that has recently developed. We must recognize this reality and at the same time stand firmly on those principles essential for Israel.
I have already stressed the first principle – recognition. Palestinians must clearly and unambiguously recognize Israel as the state of the Jewish people. The second principle is: demilitarization. The territory under Palestinian control must be demilitarized with ironclad security provisions for Israel.
Without these two conditions, there is a real danger that an armed Palestinian state would emerge that would become another terrorist base against the Jewish state, such as the one in Gaza.
We don’t want Kassam rockets on Petach Tikva, Grad rockets on Tel Aviv, or missiles on Ben-Gurion airport. We want peace.

In order to achieve peace, we must ensure that Palestinians will not be able to import missiles into their territory, to field an army, to close their airspace to us, or to make pacts with the likes of Hezbollah and Iran. On this point as well, there is wide consensus within Israel.

It is impossible to expect us to agree in advance to the principle of a Palestinian state without assurances that this state will be demilitarized.

On a matter so critical to the existence of Israel, we must first have our security needs addressed.

Therefore, today we ask our friends in the international community, led by the United States, for what is critical to the security of Israel: Clear commitments that in a future peace agreement, the territory controlled by the Palestinians will be demilitarized: namely, without an army, without control of its airspace, and with effective security measures to prevent weapons smuggling into the territory – real monitoring, and not what occurs in Gaza today. And obviously, the Palestinians will not be able to forge military pacts.

Without this, sooner or later, these territories will become another Hamastan. And that we cannot accept.

I told President Obama when I was in Washington that if we could agree on the substance, then the terminology would not pose a problem.
And here is the substance that I now state clearly:

If we receive this guarantee regarding demilitirization and Israel’s security needs, and if the Palestinians recognize Israel as the State of the Jewish people, then we will be ready in a future peace agreement to reach a solution where a demilitarized Palestinian state exists alongside the Jewish state.

Regarding the remaining important issues that will be discussed as part of the final settlement, my positions are known: Israel needs defensible borders, and Jerusalem must remain the united capital of Israel with continued religious freedom for all faiths.

The territorial question will be discussed as part of the final peace agreement. In the meantime, we have no intention of building new settlements or of expropriating additional land for existing settlements.

But there is a need to enable the residents to live normal lives, to allow mothers and fathers to raise their children like families elsewhere. The settlers are neither the enemies of the people nor the enemies of peace. Rather, they are an integral part of our people, a principled, pioneering and Zionist public.

Unity among us is essential and will help us achieve reconciliation with our neighbors. That reconciliation must already begin by altering existing realities. I believe that a strong Palestinian economy will strengthen peace.

If the Palestinians turn toward peace – in fighting terror, in strengthening governance and the rule of law, in educating their children for peace and in stopping incitement against Israel – we will do our part in making every effort to facilitate freedom of movement and access, and to enable them to develop their economy. All of this will help us advance a peace treaty between us.

Above all else, the Palestinians must decide between the path of peace and the path of Hamas. The Palestinian Authority will have to establish the rule of law in Gaza and overcome Hamas. Israel will not sit at the negotiating table with terrorists who seek their destruction.
Hamas will not even allow the Red Cross to visit our kidnapped soldier Gilad Shalit, who has spent three years in captivity, cut off from his parents, his family and his people. We are committed to bringing him home, healthy and safe.

With a Palestinian leadership committed to peace, with the active participation of the Arab world, and the support of the United States and the international community, there is no reason why we cannot achieve a breakthrough to peace.

Our people have already proven that we can do the impossible. Over the past 61 years, while constantly defending our existence, we have performed wonders.
Our microchips are powering the world’s computers. Our medicines are treating diseases once considered incurable. Our drip irrigation is bringing arid lands back to life across the globe. And Israeli scientists are expanding the boundaries of human knowledge.
If only our neighbors would respond to our call – peace too will be in our reach.

I call on the leaders of the Arab world and on the Palestinian leadership, let us continue together on the path of Menahem Begin and Anwar Sadat, Yitzhak Rabin and King Hussein. Let us realize the vision of the prophet Isaiah, who in Jerusalem 2700 years ago said: “nations shall not lift up sword against nation, and they shall learn war no more.”

With God’s help, we will know no more war. We will know peace.

9 Responses to “I think Netanyahu just sold out Israel. Did Netanyahu just sell out Israel?”

  1. DJM said

    I don’t think Netanyahu did. I think he purposely offered Palestinian statehood with conditions Palestine will not accept.

    Palestine must reject Hamas and disarm. Jerusalem remains Israel’s capital, and Palestine must recognize Israel.

    They will not do any one of these things, let alone all.

    While I would have liked to hear stronger wording from Netanyahu, he played his political hand very well.

    • avideditor said

      DJM I am surprised at you! You think Israel should give the muslims land from Israel? What was Jordan? I do not agree with the jihadi myths. Israel as the right to its land. It should not give up another inch.

      • elyakatz said

        BS”D

        Read Atlas Shrugs. The analysis is there. I don’t see where DJM is agreeing to jihadi myths. She simply understands Netanyahu’s strategy. He’s holding them to what they agreed to, knowing they can just as soon disarm as refuse to breathe. It’s not in their nature, it’s not a part of their game plan.

        • avideditor said

          I understand what you and DJM are saying. But I think it is a jihadi myth that muslim deserve any right to Israel. I think Bibi sold old Israel in his speech by not addressing that the muslim already got a country Jordan. I think the speech is very dangerous. Read it again. I am just shocked that most people are letting Bibi get away with selling Israel out. I know you, DJM and other bloggers I used to look up to are on our side. I just think you or I got the speech wrong. Trust me I hope I am wrong. But that speech is a fall back to the Bibi that gave large parts of Hebron to the Jihadis IMHO.

          • elyakatz said

            BS”D

            We’re in agreement re jihadi myth. He is not caving in. His is calling their bluff, with the eloquence that only Bibi can manage. Watch him on Arutz Sheva. It’s in Hebrew with English subtitles.

            I will never forget his first speech upon becoming Prime Minister though. My entire family had prayed for him to become PM since 1987, ever since we first heard the man speak. And here, it had happened!! I wanted to frame that speech. It was music to my ears.

            Then he proceeded to sign the Wye Agreements. Everyone was soooo disappointed. So, I think every praying Jew around the world, and especially in Israel was praying day and night that he would hold up to the pressure, which must be enormous.

            Who knows, maybe the PM’s even receive personal threats against their families? I have heard men speak who have said as much, that they were personally threatened, and Israel was threatened to become another NATO victim. The West is oil hungry, in desperate need of it to remain viable military powers. They see Israel as an obstacle to cheap oil.

            It seems there is little restraint behind the scenes, so why not? Maybe they do it in a veiled sense. Look what happens to all the PM’s and many other leaders. Maybe they’re not corrupt as much as blackmailed, with threats delivered when they won’t cooperate.

            So, we need to keep praying for Bibi. I believe he is a good man. He lost his brother Yonatan, who is a national hero. I think that has affected him, and that he is very loyal to our people. We just don’t know all the crap that goes on in those circles.

            • avideditor said

              Keep in mind Bibi is the same leader who gave the jihadis most of Hebron. He did not once mention in the speech that Muslims already have Jordan. Does that not trouble you?

  2. elyakatz said

    BS”D

    Yeah, I mentioned Hebron. But we need to give him credit, we need to trust that he is on our team. If we tear him down, how can he have the strength to withstand world pressure? He has to know we are all in this together.

    It does not trouble me that he didn’t mention Jordah. If he mentnioned that, he would be giving them an excuse to marginalize him. He can say what they want to hear, while being clever diplomatically, and then he waits for the Muslims to fulfill a request they can’t fulfill. It worked before Oslo. Begin and Shamir used to do it, and kept Judea and Samaria.

    Did you read Pam’s comment yet?? You know what Chabad says…”Think good thoughts. Thoughts are powerful.” Especially another Yid who’s dealing with a Pharoah like goy…he needs and deserves our best, and then he can do his best. Until proven otherwise…and I pray he will not be. He can remain strong.

    Everyone is doing tfillot for him and for the matsav. Everyone is being positive and determined. We can beat this if we stick together. We can be determined without being hateful or angry.

    KosherTorah.com

    “We can never tolerate hate. Hate must never be accepted in the heart of the one who wishes to serve Heaven. We indeed must battle evil, within ourselves and within others, yet our motivation must always be for the sake of greater good and never for the sake of hate. Our enemies have enough hatred; we do not honor
    ourselves by allowing us to hate them as they hate us. Fight with resolve, we must. Hate with passion, we must not!”

  3. DJM said

    AE – Like elyakatz said, Netanyahu is calling Obama/Islamists’ bluff.

    They will not accept any one of those conditions, much less all of them. Netanyahu knows this. But with antisemitic Obama in office, he has to have an *appearance* of appeasement.

    If Israel sticks to their guns, they can come out of this smelling like a rose, because they offer the statehood with reasonable conditions, and it will be Palestinians who reject it.

    • elyakatz said

      BS”D

      If Netanyahu had offered everything but 3 blocks in Jerusalem, the jihadis would have turned him down. But AE is correct on at least one count as well. Many of the headlines are blaring “Netanyahu accepts Palestinian state!” and only briefly mentions the unbearable caveats, i.e. no warmongering allowed, no flooding of “refugee”, and I use the term loosely, into Israel, no Judenrein Judea & Samaria.

      Nothing is ever good enough for the self-important jihadi.

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