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Ron Liddle of The Spectator and His “Take” on Hebron

Posted by Glezele Vayne on May 20, 2009

BS”D

THE SPECTATOR.CO.UK published an article entitled,  “You Get Your Film, and Go Home” by Ron Liddle on 4 April, 2007. I know, We’re right on top of things. Well, “Schmoozing” is an opinion site, not necessarily an up-to-the-minute news site. Neither of us gets paid enough for that.

If you want the latest, I…uhm, really don’t know who you could count on in the MSM. Sorry. They sometimes have some of the latest. As for it’s veracity, that’s another — story.

Back to Mr. Liddle’s piece, below are a few of the more notable salvos, er, paragraphs, found on page two of his article. (Note to self, be kind. Mr. Liddle did admit to feeling like an imbecile — bottom of page 1. Knowing there is a problem is, after all, half the battle.)

Space allotments for Jews when Europe has her way. We don't even get to stretch our toes in death.

Space allotments for Jews when Europe has her way. We don't even get to stretch our toes in death.

Because he had a point, the young Israeli. We had arrived in clamorous, divided Hebron, on the West Bank, to shoot a film for Channel 4 about the iniquities suffered by the indigenous Palestinians, who constitute about 99.5 per cent of the population of this rather lovely old city. A city which, unfortunately, contains what is said to be the tombs of the Patriarchs (emphasis Ellie Katz) — Abraham and his missus, Sarah, and their kids Isaac, Rebekah, Leah and Chardonnay. OK, I made the last one up. Tombs of some significance, then, to the Orthodox Jews as well as the Muslims.

And so, here was an iniquity: (Does he mean inequity?? EK) Orthodox Jewish settlers have taken over a bunch of residences on the hilltops and the Israeli soldiers are stationed, in some force, to protect them. This means a life of unending misery and hassle for the Palestinians who are required to traipse through a multitude of checkpoints every day, sometimes being detained for three or four hours at a stretch, just to get from home to their place of work, or to take the kids to school.”

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Yours truly left a comment with Mr. Liddle to consider, of course. There were just so many digs and disses directed at Jews of conscience and conviction, so much distortion of the truth, I had a hard time choosing a topic. One example is his claim that the activities of Jewish residents beyond the “green line”  are illegal. Jews living in their historic homeland is not prima facie evidence of illegal activity. While there is a lot of heat about Jews having the chutzpah to live in historic Eretz Israel, the vomitus coming from the MSM does not present an accurate picture, not from a legal perspective, or any other perspective.

Don’t believe me? Instead of simply swallowing what the MSM regurgitates verbatim as if it is actually the truth, do your own research. Here’s I’ll help get you started.

Settlements and International Law

Critics of settlements have often cited article 49 of the Fourth Geneva convention, arguing that settlements are contrary to International law. This assertion is incorrect.

Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva conventiuon (sic) states:

“Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited.” (Fourth Geneva Convention, Article 49(1)).

There are several reasons why this is not applicable to the case of Israel and the disputed territories.

  • The articles in question relates to the responsibility of a power that has attained territory as a consequence of an aggressive war. Israel’s acquisition of the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights were as a result of a defensive war.
  • The article 49 of the Geneva Conventions refers to the forced tranfer of civilian populations. Settlements activity in the territories are voluntary and the local population of the territories have not been transferred not is it Israeli government policy to do so.
  • The article in question refers to the “occupying power”. The West Bank and Gaza Strip are not occupied territories but rather disputed. Previous to 1948 the British were the occupying power of Israel, the West Bank and Gaza Strip but gave their mandate to the United Nations who in tern proposed to partition the land between Israel and the Arabs. The Arabs launched a war against the newly born Jewish state and rejected partition. After the 1948-49 War Jordan, occupied the West Bank and annexed it. The international community refused to recognize the West Bank as part of Jordan. Israel acquired the West Bank from Jordan. The future of the West Bank and Gaza Strip is unclear (UN resolution 242 sates “lands aquired” (sic) after hostilities not all lands must be returned) thus making the land disputed not occupied.
  • The League of Nations which provided for the establishment of a Jewish State specifically encouraged “close settlement by Jews on the land”. Article 6 of the Mandate of the Leaugue of Nations states:

“Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in cooperation with the Jewish Agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State land not required for public use.”

I had a hard time limiting my thoughts to just one aspect of Mr. Liddle’s neatly disguised slander. For instance, this little ditty “Tombs of some significance, then, to the Orthodox Jews as well as the Muslims.”

What???

Oh, I get it. (slapping my head) In the mind of Mr. Liddle, there is some sort of moral equivalence between “Orthodox Jews” in Hebron, building upon the ruins of their stolen lands, circa 1929, and Muslims who shoot rockets into Sderot, Ashkelon, Tzfat, circa — well, it’s kind of a permanent situation. Most recently, ehm…yesterday. Because, after all, both peoples “claim” the same land.

FYI, Mr. Liddle, the vast majority of Israelis consider Hebron as important. Abraham legally purchased the Machpelah caved, and we have had a continual presence in Hebron ever since, yet we graciously share it with the Muslim community. Consult your Bible for further information.

Yes, the Orthodox who have the courage of their convictions. However, almost every Israeli would much prefer to keep Hebron. If the so-called “International Community” would just stop the evil disinformation campaign directed at the very peaceful and productive Jewish community, in Israel and around the world (just shut up and mind your own affairs) the folks who really do have a stake in the affairs in the Middle East, i.e. Jews and Arabs, would probably have settled our differences years ago, and there would be peace.

Since when does British or European interference in other indiginous disputes ever amount to peace? Need I cite the long litany of rebellions, wars and massacres that have followed the various occupations Britain has imposed on the world?

Even Tzipi Livni has come out and said to give up Hebron is  painful for her. The majority of the “left” in Israel does not agree with Europe. They are just scared of Europe. The difference between the “left” of Israel and the religious Jews of Israel? The “left” in Israel fears Europe and world opinion. The religious Jews of Israel fear G-d. And as the saying goes, if you fear G-d, there is no need to fear anyone else. You might want to take a second look at your own British, French et al. tendency to thumb your nose as what the Scriptures say, friend. It hasn’t worked out all that well for you.

Never mind…just another typical a-religious European attempt at mudslinging in the direction of Jews who actually take their Jewish identity and their religion seriously. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, with glee. Europe, you didn’t want the Jewish people. You all made that abundantly clear over the centuries, and ended your “Declaration of Freedom from Conscience” in 1945. So, I guess HKB”H took you seriously and rewarded you accordingly. How do you like the folks who’ve more than filled the void we were forced to leave? Hm?

This piece really got my adrenaline going, but the European view of Israel normally does. It’s better than coffee in the morning. I think the side-effects might not be worth it, however. I don’t know if they will publish my comment, so I had the brilliant idea to post it here, exactly as it might appear there.

Regarding the Hebron Jewish community, we have had a presence in Hebron for hundreds of years, not merely decades. I am not a residence, I merely include myself with the entire corpus of my people.

The land of the murdered and the expelled (the entire Jewish community) was expropriated to the Arabs.

http://www.zionism-israel.com/Hebron_Massacre1929.htm

“Hebron has a long and rich Jewish history. It was one of the first places where the Patriarch Abraham resided after his arrival in Canaan. King David was anointed in Hebron, where he reigned for seven years. One thousand years later, during the first Jewish revolt against the Romans, the city was the scene of extensive fighting. Jews lived in Hebron almost continuously throughout the Byzantine, Arab, Mameluke, and Ottoman periods. It was only in 1929 — as a result of a murderous Arab pogrom in which 67 Jews were murdered and the remainder were forced to flee — that the city became temporarily “free” of Jews. After the 1967 Six-Day War, the Jewish community of Hebron was re-established. It has grown to include a range of religious and educational institutions.”

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/hebron.html

Regarding Arab play acting for the cameras see:

http://www.seconddraft.org/

While I realize Europeans actually believe another Taliban style state in the Middle East will bring about “peace in our time” I suggest the following sites for enlightenment —

Sultan Knish’s “Who Needs a Palestinian State?” which can be found at is always insightful blog:

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2009/05/who-needs-palestinian-state.html

http://elyakatz.wordpress.com/2009/05/19/palestine-2-0-is-a-monster-with-only-one-purpose-to-create-holocaust-2-0-sultan-knishs-latest/

http://www.theaugeanstables.com/

Europeans have such an outstandingly consistent record in appeasement. One would think, what with Nazi Germany’s nearly successful bid at a Thousand Year Reich, and now Muslims co-opting European culture throughout the continent and the British Isles, you folks would have learned.

Sad.

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Central Jaffa Road (near now Kikar Zion) - as it was barb-wire barricaded under the British Mandate.

One parting shot: If the Arabs don’t want to suffer with checkpoints, security fences and walls, and Israeli soldiers, there is a remedy. Stop maligning, threatening, kidnapping, axing, sniping at, stabbing, and bombing Israelis. We actually have sound, historically based reasons for reclaiming our land, and for viewing the average Arab Muslim as an enemy. But then, considering Britain’s record on figuring out who their enemies are, Mr. Liddle’s “conclusions” are at least consistent.

Again, sad. I see a European future of cute little blonde toddlers, hiding beneath Muslim headscarves and being forced to “marry” (gag) pedophiles by legal and religious sanction as soon as they reach the ripe old age of 9.

Ellie Katz

From Schmoozing with Elya & Ellie Katz

2 Responses to “Ron Liddle of The Spectator and His “Take” on Hebron”

  1. James said

    “One parting shot: If the Arabs don’t want to suffer with checkpoints, security fences and walls, and Israeli soldiers, there is a remedy. Stop maligning, threatening, kidnapping, axing, sniping at, stabbing, and bombing Israelis.”

    Because, of course, every single Palestinian is guilty of that.

    • elyakatz said

      BS”D

      When an a entity makes war against another entity, for example, the Arabs of Judea, Samaria and Gaza, who have declared war against the nation of Israel, it is wise not to waste time making distinctions between those who don’t have bomb belts, hidden knives and guns, and those who don’t. What is the logic behind this notion of entitlement? Israel is not required to provide jobs and access to shopping to a people who’s raison d’etre is their annihilation.

      How about you worry about the problems in your own backyard?

      I noticed Mr. Liddle managed to have the courage to post one itty bitty comment about the Hebron massacre of Jews of 1929 (real ethnic cleansing).

      Are Europeans capable of making any distinctions anymore? Like I said in response to Ron Liddle’s article, I see lots of little blonde British girls in burkas in the coming years.

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