Posts Tagged ‘Palestine’
Posted by avideditor on February 22, 2011
Posted in Israel | Tagged: caliphate, Dhimmi, Dhimmitude, Fatah, Hamas, Islam, Islamic, Islamic lies, Islamic violence, Islamist, Israel, Jerusalem, jihad, Jihadi, Jihadis, muslim, Palestine, Palestinians, sharia, taqiyya, terrorist | 1 Comment »
Posted by avideditor on January 18, 2011
Like the correcting David at the JIDF made on this piece. What I perviously posted about the JIDF The Jewish Internet Defense Force are the Maccabees of our time G-d bless them The way David corrected this piece is amazing IMHO
read the rest here Jew Haters Whine About Jews Building Homes in Israel
Posted by DJM on January 25, 2010
A new Lancet study claims Palestinian men are beating their wives because of Israel.
I kid you not.
They are blaming domestic violence in an Islamic society on Jews. Certainly, it wouldn’t have anything to do with this:
“Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.” (Quran 4:34)
And it certainly couldn’t have anything to do with countless accounts in the Hadith in which Muhammad approved of, or turned a blind at, his followers beating their wives. It is very unlikely that it has anything to do with Islam’s perfect example himself beating his own wife.
And it doesn’t matter that these findings directly conflict with this extensive study.
It’s the JOOS fault.
PajamasMedia has more on this story.
Posted by Glezele Vayne on May 20, 2009
by Tom Mountain (a columnist for The Jewish Advocate)
A whole group of people was created overnight.
“Show me a history book of the Palestinians,” retorted Miriam Levinger to this novice student journalist over two decades ago in Kiryat Arba, in Judea, otherwise known as the southern half of the West Bank.
In 1968, Mrs. Levinger, wife of Rabbi Moshe Levinger, the leader of the Gush Emunim movement, had, with the tacit support of the Israeli government, spearheaded the return of Jews to the Hebron area. And thus came Kiryat Arba, a thriving modern Jewish township overlooking Hebron, that sacred Biblical city where Arabs had massacred the centuries-old Jewish community in 1929. The Levingers had moved there to try to set things right by reestablishing a Jewish presence in Hebron.
By the time I met her in 1983, Miriam Levinger, once of Brooklyn, had already been in Judea for over fifteen years. She was there to stay. Not only that, but, she assured me, her children – she eventually had eleven – would inevitably branch out to help create more settlements in Judea and Samaria (the northern half of the West Bank).
Back to the Palestinian history book, or lack there of.
Mrs. Levinger elaborated on the premise that a Palestinian history book did not exist because the very concept of a Palestinian people did not exist until the Arab nations and their proxy, the PLO, chose to invent the Palestinian national movement in 1964. It was all a propaganda ploy to attack Israel and challenge Jewish claims to the land.
Tough, no-nonsense rhetoric from an Orthodox mother who was compelled to walk through Hebron with a Uzi submachine gun for protection. Miriam Levinger was absolutely correct in her simple analysis of the situation. But she was not alone.
“Palestine is a term the Zionists invented…. Our country for centuries was part of Syria,” remarked Arab leader Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi to the British Peel Commission in 1937. Mr. Abdul-Hadi knew what he was talking about.
Posted in History, Israel, jihadi propaganda, Palestinian | Tagged: 1929 Hevron Pogrom, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, British Mandate, Gamal Abdel Nasser, Gush Emunim, Hevron, Kiryat Arba, Miriam Levinger, Palestine, PLO, R' Moshe Levinger, Roman Conquests | Leave a Comment »
Posted by Glezele Vayne on May 11, 2009
There are Arabs who live in a region once called Palestine. There was never a nation called the Palestinian people. This is a modern day myth, created for political purposes…nay, for purposes of stealth warfare. Before the State of Israel was reborn, Jews were called Palestinians.
The native people of this land never called it Palestine. It was either Judea, or Samaria, or the Galilee, or the Negev. It was Eretz Israel. Romans, famed for gate-crashing raids, invasions, usurpations of native peoples, these Romans named it Palestina as one last dig — against the most troublesome province they’d ever conquered — Judea, who refused to submit to them for any appreciable length of time. This was extremely costly for Rome. In a parting kiss of death, as they murdered, enslaved and exiled most of us, in an attempt to permanently sever us from our land and hopefully destroy us from the face of the earth, they renamed the land Palastina.
The territory is still not a nation called Palestine. Now it is the “disputed territories”, despite the delusions of Arab mapmakers. Don’t believe me?
WorldNetDaily’s Joseph Farah wrote an article entitled “Palestinian People Do Not Exist“
Here’s part of a post at Almost Eden (great photo BTW). I’d love to get my hands on a copy of the article from the Trouw. As far as I can tell, their internet archives only go back as far as 1992.
“On March 31, 1977 the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. His statements were also later published in the Boston Herald and you’ll find them at various Internet sites as well. Here’s what he said:
‘The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.
‘For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”
How does Jordan feel about this statement?
‘King Abdullah in 1948: “Palestine and Jordan are one…
‘Prince Hassan of the Jordanian National Assembly on February 2, 1970: “Palestine is Jordan and Jordan is Palestine; there is only one land, with one history and one and the same fate”.
‘Abdul Hamid Sharif, Prime Minister of Jordan in 1980: “The Palestinians and Jordanians do not belong to different nationalities. They hold the same Jordanian passports, are Arabs and have the same Jordanian culture.”
‘King Hussein in 1981: “The truth is that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan.’
And here’s what a few Arab-Americans have to say:
‘Distinguished Arab-American Princeton University historian Philip Hitti testified before the Anglo-American Committee, ‘There is no such thing as ‘Palestine’ in history.’
Posted in History, Israel, jihadi propaganda, United Nations | Tagged: Amidah, Anglo-American Committee, Disputed Territories, King Hussein, Palestine, Palestine Post, Philip Hitti, United Nations, Yasir Arafat, Zahir Muhsein King Abdullah | 4 Comments »
Posted by Glezele Vayne on March 8, 2009
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” — Edmund Burke, Irish philosopher, statesman (1729-1797)
In Arabic, “jihad” literally means “self-struggle”. That is the soft definition. Allowing ourselves to become entangled in politically correct ideas and language will disarm us. It will weaken our resolve to defend ourselves and our way of life.
We are meant to think the concept of “jihad’ is solely about an internal, spiritual struggle. No. This is only part of the truth, says Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist in part 3 of this series. He goes on to tell us that “Mein Kampf” also means “my struggle”. He then asks us, what and who was Hitler struggling against? And then we must wonder, who are the jihadis struggling against?
I’ve excerpted some quotes from the video below, entitled “Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West”. I have this entire series linked on my “Jihadis” page, at the very bottom. It can also be found, of course, on Youtube.
There is a demonstrable connection between the concept of “jihad”, the Muslim’s struggle against the Jewish people, the West, and all non-Muslims, indeed against all moderate Muslims, and “Mein Kampf”, Hitler’s struggle against the Jewish people and all who refused to submit to his view of things. The filmmakers are showing us how history is repeating itself. By excerpting especially poignant quotes, I hope to make plain that 1936 has arrived. Yesterday is back. Are we going to make the same mistakes?
Mein Kampf is a runaway bestseller in some Muslim controlled regions, such as the Palestinian administered territories.
— Ellie Katz
Obsession: Part 2 of 10
We swear by the blood and severed bodies of our children and torment of our prisoners, and we will reply by blowing our bodies (sic). – Suicide bombers induction ceremony, Lebanon 1996
We need to understand the culture that produced terrorism. — Noni Darwish, daughter of a shahid (martyr)
Some people view the current situation with the Middle East as a clash of civilization. I think it’s more than that, way more than that. I think it’s an outright declaration of war from radical Islam on Western culture, on the Judeo-Christian culture. And…we should know that. It’s a declaration of war. — Noni Darwish, daughter of a shahid (martyr)
…It’s part of a campaign of jihad, holy war to bring down the West, undermine the very foundations of Christianity and Judaism. – Khaled Abu Toameh, Palestinian Journalist
The Islamists hate everything other than what they are themselves. They killed, for example, over 100,000 Algerians who disagreed with their brand of Islam. These are fellow Muslims. — Daniel Pipes, Director, Middle East Forum
There is a particular strand of Islam that has, in fact, challenged what I think is the absolutely central pillar of human civilization as such, namely, the sacredness of life itself. – Professor Robert Wistrich, Chair, Sassoon Center for Antisemitism
The most honorable death is by killing. And the most honorable killing and the most glorious martyrdom is when a man is killed for the sake of Allah. – Sheikh Hassah Nasrallah, Hizbollah General Secretary General, Al Manar TV 2005, (Translation MEMRI)
We succeeded with Allah’s grace, to raise an ideological generation that loves death like our enemies love life. – Raed Said Hussein Saad, Al-Qassam Brigades, Commander N. Gaza, Hamas website, December 2005 (translation Palestinian Media Watch)
Most people don’t realize the Muslims are also victims, because if they disagree, they get killed. — Walid Shoebat, former PLO terrorist
Would some Muslim or some Arab who in his heart believes that the Arab terrorism is terrorism, can he say it in (sic) publicly? He will be lynched in a Muslim society if he says that Hamas is a terrorist (sic). – Tashbih Sayyed, Editor, Pakistan Today
I would estimate that some 10 to 15%, and let me stress that it’s an estimate, of Muslims worldwide support militant Islam. That is not to say that only 10 to 15% are anti-American or anti-Zionist. No, that’s much larger. – Daniel Pipes, Director, Middle East Forum
1.2 billions are there with 15% (sic). This is a huge number. This is as big as the united States of America. And the bad thing about it is that they are spread all throughout (sic). — Walid Shoebat, former PLO terrorist
In the Middle East, Islam is our identity, is our political life, is our social life, it’s our life. As a child I attended Gaza elementary schools and we were taught that jihad is a religious holy war for the sake of Allah. That is what it is…to conquer the world for Allah. That is jihad. – Noni Darwish, daughter of a shahid (martyr)
We must educate our children on the love of jihad for the sake of Allah. And the love of fighting for the sake of Allah. — Sheikh Ibrahim Madhi, Palestinian TV, 2001 (translation by MEMRI)
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Posted by avideditor on March 3, 2009
Judge for yourself.
It seems New Week is not very at being like Big Brother in 1984. Here is what Brain from Snapped shot said. “Newsweak has silently corrected the map in question. No admission of error, no correction, no nothing. Welcome to the New Soviet Era, my airbrush-loving friends.” It seems that News Week did not change there big map yet. Elder has noticed “Interestingly, their picture of Egypt is also pre-1967 – it includes Gaza.
The most charitable explanation I can come up with is abject ignorance. Perhaps we could clear all of this up if they had a report of Jordan’s religious freedom, so we could check out whether the West Bank is considered Jordanian territory, thus proving that Israel really doesn’t exist. ” “
Posted by avideditor on November 7, 2008
Hamas terrorists celebrated Obama’s historic victory this week.
World Net Daily reported:
The Hamas terrorist group believes the election of Sen. Barack Obama is an “historic victory” for the world and an opportunity to change U.S. foreign policy toward engagement with America’s foes, Ahmed Yousef, Hamas’ chief political adviser in the Gaza Strip, told WND in an exclusive interview today.
Yousef, speaking by cell phone from Gaza, said Hamas is drafting a letter of congratulation to be sent tomorrow directly to Obama. He said the current draft of the letter praises the president-elect as “another John F. Kennedy, or great Roosevelt.”
“We want to be one of the first to congratulate him,” Yousef said.
“This is an historic day, a turning point. I think this is the very first time in history that one country’s election concerned everyone everywhere all over [the] world,” said Yousef. “Everybody is looking forward to Obama’s change, for a change in the U.S. policy, particularly in the Israeli-Palestinian equation, which is the mother of all conflicts.”
Posted by avideditor on November 5, 2008
Check out this great article by Daniel Pipes
summary: it’s hardly a suprise that the PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah, and other jihadist groups are at war with Israel, only that it is said in the English-speaking public for a change (it’s a constant in the Arabic press) – the charters of both the PLO/PA and Hamas are quite clear on the matter, yet virtually no one in Israel, the UN, EU, or even the US chooses to read their very words or to question them on their stance - – just as Iran has been at war with the US since 1979, and the Islamists with the rest of the world for 1,400 years, the Arab hatred of Israel will never go away since it is part of their ‘faith’ – they would rather lie, as is usually the case, than make peace, see conspiracies always aimed at them rather than deal honorably as part of the civilized world – that the world is anti-Israel is quite clear and unlikely to change
Posted by avideditor on August 12, 2008
I don’t know enough about Meir Kahane to say he was right about everything else. But I do know this essay despite its age is spot on. I found this at Yid with a Lid. I would appreciate links to other well written essays like this with a similar point of view to be left as a comment.
NO TO GUILT FOR ISRAEL
Rabbi Meir David Kahane
There is a specter haunting Israel and its American Jewish supporters. It is called guilt. Guilt over the “repression of Palestinian human rights.” Guilt over the refusal to remove “the main obstacle to peace in the Middle East, the “occupation of Arab land seized in 1967.” Guilt over the unwillingness to give the “Palestinians” their own state in the “occupied lands.” And now, guilt over the killing of “Palestinians” and “innocent civilians in Lebanon.”
It is a powerful weapon, this guilt; Jews have a difficult time coping with it. A people that has been the most debased of losers for 2,000 years finds it difficult to cope with victory. It finds it extraordinarily difficult to remain normal. It inherits insecurities, complexes, guilt. It begins to believe its enemies slander. It loses its self-respect and longs for the love of a hating world. It is important that those who have retained their self-esteem and some Jewish survival speak out against the disease of guilt and moral insecurity.
No guilt. Are the lands of 1967, “occupied” by the Jews, the main obstacle to peace? Is the year 1967 the origin of the conflict? How peaceful it must have been in 1966, when Sinai and Gaza were in Egyptian hands and the Golan was possessed by the Syrians to shell for 19 years the Jewish settlements below, and when Judea-Samaria (the “West Bank”) and East Jerusalem were in the hands of the “moderate” King Hussein. Why did they all go to war? What did they want then? When one has East Jerusalem and attacks Israel, can it be that he desires, West Jerusalem? And Tel Aviv?
And what did they wish in 1947 when they rejected the “Palestine” state offered them by the United Nations and went to war, killing fully 1 percent of the population? And what did they wish in the riots of 1936-38 when there was no country called Israeland they murdered more than 500 Jews? And in 1929 when no “Zionist occupation troops” were inHebron, why did the “Palestinians” rise up to murder 67 Jews in one day? And why the pogroms in Jerusalem and Jaffa in 1920 and 1921?
What troubles the Arabs is the very presence of large numbers of Jews in the land, Israel of any size, Zionism. That is what troubles the Arabs. That is the obstacle to peace. Let us inscribe that on our hearts lest we open the doors to a repetition – on – a grand scale – of that which the Arabs have done to Jews since 1920. And the bearers of guilt would do just that.
Don’t employ “Palestinians” They will only kill you: Jerusalem bulldozer terrorist kills 4 in rampage
Posted by avideditor on July 2, 2008
4 people are dead and over 40 people are injured. Why? Because the Israeli government has granted citizenship rights to jihadis. The Israeli government needs to expel the jihadis off our land and prevent these sick bastards from killing our people. But as individuals we should not hire jihadis or buy there products. Any jew that employs “Palestinians” has blood on there hands. Don’t hire people that will kill you. Stop buying there goods. Israel should expel the so called “Palestinians” out of Israel. Jordan is there country. There is no such thing as “Palistine” These sick monsters need to be stopped.
I think Shawarma Mayor said it best in his article There’s only one constant to the Middle East equation – Arabs are thirsty for Jewish blood
CNN USED THE WORD TERRORIST?! Why in quotes though?! They still doubt it was a terror attack? CNN are whitewashing whores!
Jerusalem bulldozer ‘terrorist’ kills 3 in rampage
What can drive a thirty something father of two to a rampage of murder against people simply because they’re Jewish? Here’s a hint – a culture and education system celebrating prior murderers of Jews, naming schools after massacre perpetrators and preachers on TV day and night inciting murder.
Iraq’s president had to apologize for having his picture taken while shaking Israel’s defense minister. There’s no one bashful about murdering Jews. It is a source of pride for a region deserving no sympathy.
Yet sympathy is abundant in the halls of UN – still funded mainly by western countries. The Arabs who invented and continue to perpetrate the majority of modern terrorism continue to enjoy a sympathetic world media coverage who openly whitewashes their deeds.
It is not the body count that matters in today’s horrific attempt to mass murder. Unlike suicide murders where in a split second carnage is inflicted yet the Muslim doing so never gets to observe his handy work – the Arab today, a father of two, observed his victims as he crushed them, he heard the screams yet he did not blink. He was on a mission from Allah – the same mission the rest of his fellow Arab Muslims are on – Jihad! Murder the Jews.
Today’s despicable act will not stop the flow of free money and foods to the hands of Arabs in the land of Israel under the PA or in Gaza. Nothing will stop the flow of support from the UN to these barbaric animals.
The same barbaric murderers who have butchered the Jewish community in Israel since 19th century continue to do so without a single moment of self reflection and why would they? Who in this plant of injustice ever holds them accountable?
There will never be peace with Muslim Arabs and all intermediate ceasefire deals achieve is providing rest for the Jihadists.
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We should remember what the hero that stopped this Jihadi said.
As he began running towards the bulldozer, Plesser said that he shouted out to onlookers for a gun. Together with another civilian, Plesser climbed aboard the bulldozer and began wrestling with the driver.
“At one point he [the driver] yelled out “Allah Akhbar” [God is great] and stepped on the gas pedal,” Plesser recalled. “I drew the weapon of the civilian who was with me and shot the driver three times in the head. I think I did what is expected from every soldier and citizen.”
Seconds later, a police officer, Eli Mizrahi, climbed aboard the bulldozer and shot the terrorist again, killing him.
Plesser said that his brother-in-law David’s heroic conduct in March served as a role model. Shapira, who lives across the street from Mercaz Harav, heard the late-night shooting, ran into the building where two police officers were standing, took one of their caps and ran inside and shot the terrorist.
“I thank God who gave me and my brother-in-law the strength to do what we did,” he said, adding that his education in national-religious institutions and training in the elite Egoz unit served as the basis for his courageous conduct.
Posted by avideditor on June 6, 2008
It looks like Obama is making another false promise. I found this on LGF
Obama Throws Jerusalem Under the Bus
Barack Obama’s flip-flops are getting closer together; now he’s “clarifying” points he made just a day ago: Obama clarifies united J’lem comment.
Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama did not rule out Palestinian sovereignty over parts of Jerusalem when he called for Israel’s capital to remain “undivided,” his campaign told The Jerusalem Post Thursday.
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama addresses AIPAC Policy Conference 2008, Wednesday.
“Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided,” Obama declared Wednesday, to rousing applause from the 7,000-plus attendees at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee policy conference.
But a campaign adviser clarified Thursday that Obama believes “Jerusalem is a final status issue, which means it has to be negotiated between the two parties” as part of “an agreement that they both can live with.”
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Posted by avideditor on June 1, 2008
It is time for Olmert to step down and for Bibi Netanyahu to become the prime minister. It is important for Israel to defend its citizens and to stop giving terrorist land for “peace”. Ask the american indians how well trading land for peace worked out for them.
I found this at the Elder of Zion:
I finished up my May Qassam calendar, I noticed something that has never occurred before:
There was at least one Qassam rocket every single day in May.
Every other months there are some days where none are reported, or that “only” have mortars. This was the first time in the 16 months I’ve been keeping track that there were attacks literally every day.
And even so, demand for real estate among Israelis in areas around Gaza is at an all-time high. Far more are moving there than are moving away, making terrorist claims that they aim to depopulate the nearby communities rather pathetic.
Posted by avideditor on May 18, 2008
In accordance with the road map Israel removed check points yesterday. Guess what? Today the IDF found a bomb. Lucky no one was injured.
Repeating the same mistake over and over with out learning is insane. Just look at the map. There is enough land for jihadis outside of Israel. Jews have been living in Israel for 3,000 years. It is time we no longer negotiate with terrorist. Read my short essay on what Israel should do here: The solution to the “Palestinian” curse on Israel
Posted by avideditor on May 17, 2008
Watch the great interview at Democracy Broadcast News.
Posted by avideditor on April 13, 2008
Israel should destroy Hamas ASAP. Fatah should also not be trusted. They have the same goals as Hamas. You can see a spokes man revealing them here. Or read the transcript
Following are excerpts from an interview with Abbas Zaki, Palestinian Authority representative in Lebanon, which aired on NBN TV on April 9, 2008:
Abbas Zaki: We believe wholeheartedly that the Right of Return is guaranteed by our will, by our weapons, and by our faith.
Interviewer: Do you still believe in weapons, not just in negotiations?
Abbas Zaki: The use of weapons alone will not bring results, and the use of politics without weapons will not bring results. We act on the basis of our extensive experience. We analyze our situation carefully. We know what climate leads to victory and what climate leads to suicide. We talk politics, but our principles are clear. It was our pioneering leader, Yasser Arafat, who persevered with this revolution, when empires collapsed. Our armed struggle has been going on for 43 years, and the political struggle, on all levels, has been going on for 50 years. We harvest U.N. resolutions, and we shame the world so that it doesn’t gang up on us, because the world is led by people who have given their brains a vacation – the American administration and the neocons.
Young Palestinian: As I recall, the invasion of 1982 and the destruction of South Lebanon was not just in response to missile attacks, but in response to operations as well. Israel does not use only the missiles as a pretext. It uses any activity of the resistance as a pretext.
Abbas Zaki: The important thing is that in any operation, Israel will pay a price. We don’t want cases in which you don’t kill even a chicken, but Israel kills 20 of you. I salute any operation that makes Israel pay a heavy price.
The P.L.O. is the sole legitimate representative [of the Palestinian people], and it has not changed its platform even one iota. In light of the weakness of the Arab nation and the lack of values, and in light of the American control over the world, the P.L.O. proceeds through phases, without changing its strategy. Let me tell you, when the ideology of Israel collapses, and we take, at least, Jerusalem, the Israeli ideology will collapse in its entirety, and we will begin to progress with our own ideology, Allah willing, and drive them out of all of Palestine.
Update the Hamas video doesn’t work with some browsers sorry. you can see the video at Israel Matzav
Posted by avideditor on April 10, 2008
I found this reassuring article at Israel Matzav: I hope Israel changes its leadership before it is too late.
The Peace Index Project is conducted at the Tami Steinmetz Center for Peace Research and the Evens Program in Mediation and Conflict Resolution of Tel Aviv University, headed by Prof. Ephraim Yaar and Prof. Tamar Herman. It has been issued monthly since the heyday of Oslo ‘peacemaking’ efforts. This month, they surveyed Jews separately and those those who run the ‘peace index’ had a bit of a shock.
While most of the Jews (68%) still support what’s called the ‘two-state solution,’ when you get beyond that basic question, it becomes clear that Israeli Jews have a very different idea than the ‘Palestinians’ of what a ‘two-state solution’ means:
About three-quarters do not believe the negotiations will lead to an Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement, and an identical proportion says that even if an agreement is signed it will not, from the Palestinians’ standpoint, end the historic conflict with Israel.
This pessimism is apparently what fosters the hard-line positions that most of the Jewish public now takes on central aspects of the conflict and the chances of resolving it. It turns out, for instance, that in retrospect only among Meretz, Labor, and Kadima does a majority say the decision to launch the peace process at the beginning of the 1990s was correct. In the public overall, the number of those who think so (40%) is lower than the percentage of those who believe it was a mistake to enter the peace process that enabled the Oslo accords (47%). We found a similar mindset among those who say that if a peace treaty entails difficult concessions, it’s preferable to remain in the existing situation (49%, with 43% preferring an agreement even if its price is difficult concessions).
We were surprised to discover that even though, over the years, the concept of “occupation” has become more common both in the political discourse and the media, [Translation: Even though the leftist media has done its best to brainwash the Israeli public. CiJ] today a majority of the Jewish public defines the West Bank as “liberated territory” (55%) and not as “occupied territory” (32%). This may explain the new popularity of the position (57%) that the Green Line should not be considered the future border between Israel and the Palestinians, and that a new borderline should be established so that most of the settlements will be on the Israeli side and large Israeli Arab communities would move to the Palestinian side (only 23% of the Jewish public currently favors the Green Line as the future border; only among Meretz voters does a majority take the opposite view).
Interestingly, even among those who see the West Bank as “liberated territory” there is a clear majority-albeit small compared to the majority among those who see it as “occupied territory”-of supporters of a two-state solution. Here too the pessimism about the chances of ending the historic conflict with the Palestinians is widespread among both groups, though, as expected, more so among those who view the West Bank as liberated.
Moreover, if a peace agreement is signed on the basis of the two-states-for-two-peoples formula, the majority (65%) would want the border between the two states to be a closed one, without free passage from state to state. [Under current circumstances, that would leave the 'Palestinians' without an economy and - depending on arrangements between Judea and Samaria on the one hand and Gaza on the other - without a port. CiJ] The desire for segregation of the two peoples also emerges in the broad opposition (75.5%) to the idea of a binational state as an alternative solution to the two-state formula.
Finally, a considerable majority (61%) does not believe in Prime Minister Olmert’s sincerity when he says he intends to reach a peace agreement with the Palestinian Authority by the end of this year. Indeed, only among Labor voters (not even among Kadima voters) does a majority credit the sincerity of his intentions.
The telephone interviews were conducted by the B. I. Cohen Institute of Tel Aviv University on March 31 and April 1, 2008, and included 588 interviewees who represent the adult Jewish and Arab population of Israel (including the territories and the kibbutzim). The sampling error for a sample of this size is 4.5%.
You can’t fool all of the people all of the time.
Posted by avideditor on April 10, 2008
Israel should not give up any of Jerusalem to terrorist. Olmert is trying to sell Israel’s soul for the illusion of peace. He must be stopped.
O Jerusalem! America drafts plan to cut in 2: “Aaron Klein
JERUSALEM – The United States, which has been mediating negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority here, has proposed a plan to divide Jerusalem, WND has learned.
The plan, divided into separate phases, among other things calls for Israel eventually to forfeit parts of the Temple Mount, Judaism’s holiest site.
According to the first stage of the U.S. plan, which was obtained by WND, Israel would give the PA some municipal and security sovereignty over key Arab neighborhoods in eastern Jerusalem.
The PA would be allowed to open some official institutions in Jerusalem, could elect a mayor for the Palestinian side of the city and would deploy police forces to maintain law and order. The initial stage also calls for the PA to operate Jerusalem municipal institutions, such as offices to oversee trash collection and maintenance of roads.
After five years, if both sides keep their certain commitments called for in a larger principal agreement, according to the U.S. plan the PA would be given full sovereignty over the eastern Jerusalem neighborhoods and also over sections of the Temple Mount. The plan doesn’t specify which parts of the Temple Mount would be forfeited to the Palestinians.
After the five year period, the PA could deploy official security forces in Jerusalem separate from a police force and could also open major governmental institutions, such as a president’s office, and offices for the finance and foreign ministries.
The U.S. plan leaves Israel and the PA to negotiate which Jerusalem neighborhoods would become Palestinian. According to diplomatic sources familiar with the plan, while specific neighborhoods were not officially listed, American officials recommended sections of Jerusalem’s Old City as well as certain largely Arab Jerusalem neighborhoods such as Jabal mukabar, Beit Hanina, Shoafat, Abu Dis and Abu Tur become part of the Palestinian side.
As WND reported previously, many of the Arab neighborhoods of Jerusalem, including all of Shoafat, a large Arab section, were constructed illegally on property owned by the Jewish National Fund, a Jewish nonprofit that purchases property using Jewish donors funds for the stated purpose of Jewish settlement.
According to diplomatic sources, the plan is being discussed by Israel and the PA but has not yet been accepted.
The sources said the plan was delivered earlier this month by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice during her trip to the region to push Israeli-Palestinian negotiations started at last November’s U.S.-backed Annapolis summit, which aimed to create a Palestinian state before the end of the year.
Since Annapolis, negotiating teams including Israeli Foreign Minister Tzippy Livni and chief Palestinian negotiator Ahmed Qureia have been meeting weekly while Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and PA President Mahmoud Abbas have been meeting biweekly.
The U.S. is ‘very deeply involved’ in all aspects of the negotiations, according to a top diplomatic source.
To demonstrate the level of U.S. involvement, the source pointed to recent U.S. supervision of Israeli commitments to dismantle about 50 West Bank anti-terror roadblocks and to bulldoze what are called illegal outposts, or West Bank Jewish communities constructed without government permits.
‘The U.S. oversaw the removal of each and every roadblock, making sure the roadblocks were actually removed,’ said the source.
‘Also, even though Israel prepared a report of all illegal outposts and handed it to the Americans, U.S. officials have been doing their own very specific independent investigating to find each and every illegal outpost and then oversee their dismantlement,’ the source said.
Olmert’s government has hinted a number of times it will divide Jerusalem.
In December, Israeli Vice Premier Haim Ramon said the country ‘must’ give up sections of Jerusalem for a future Palestinian state, even conceding the Palestinians can rename Jerusalem ‘to whatever they want.’
‘We must come today and say, friends, the Jewish neighborhoods, including Har Homa, will remain under Israeli sovereignty, and the Arab neighborhoods will be the Palestinian capital, which they will call Jerusalem or whatever they want,’ said Ramon during an interview.
Positions held by Ramon, a ranking member of Olmert’s Kadima party, are largely considered to be reflective of Israeli government policy.
Olmert himself recently questioned whether it was ‘really necessary’ to retain Arab-majority eastern sections of Jerusalem.
Israel recaptured eastern Jerusalem, including the Temple Mount – Judaism’s holiest site – during the 1967 Six Day War. The Palestinians have claimed eastern Jerusalem as a future capital; the area has large Arab neighborhoods, a significant Jewish population and sites holy to Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
About 231,000 Arabs live in Jerusalem, mostly in eastern neighborhoods, and many reside in illegally constructed complexes. The city has an estimated total population of 724,000.”
Posted by avideditor on March 31, 2008
Read Caroline Glick most recent piece on Condoleezza Rice.
“In her monthly trip to Israel and the Palestinian Authority next week, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is expected to criticize Israel for its announced plan to build new housing for Jews in Jerusalem. Referring to the government’s plans in a recent tour of the city, U.S. Ambassador Richard Jones said that as far as the U.S. was concerned, the fact that there is a housing shortage for Jewish families in the city was no reason to build new housing.’Building homes for Jews in Jerusalem, the ambassador intimated, is a provocative act that will endanger prospects for peace with the Palestinians. Consequently, the ambassador suggested, Jews will just have to leave the city.‘Sometimes people do have to move to a different location,’ he explained. ‘They cannot always stay close to their families.’Also during her visit, Rice will call for Israel to ease up on its counter-terror operations in Judea and Samaria in order to ratchet up the Egyptian-sponsored, U.S.-supported negotiations toward a cease-fire agreement between Israel and Hamas. Moreover, Rice is expected to pressure the Olmert-Livni-Barak government to move ahead with destroying Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria that have been built since 2001.Rice will take these steps as she calls for Israel and the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority in Judea and Samaria to abide by their obligations to the 2003 ‘road map’ plan for the establishment of a Palestinian state in Judea, Samaria, Gaza and Jerusalem. She will note that such actions are in accordance with the joint Israeli-Palestinian declaration announced at the conclusion of December’s Annapolis conference.All of Rice’s moves will come against the backdrop of intensified negotiations in Yemen between Fatah and Hamas toward the reestablishment of their unity government. That government collapsed last June following Hamas’s takeover of the Gaza Strip. It was the collapse of the unity government that enabled Rice to organize the Annapolis conference, which was based on the assumption that Fatah leader Mahmoud Abbas would fight Hamas and refuse to reunite forces with the Iranian and Syrian-sponsored jihadist movement.Her statements will also come two weeks after it was first reported that Abbas has called on so-called Palestinian refugees to march on Israel’s borders with Lebanon, Gaza, Jordan and Syria on Israel’s 60th Independence Day; and for Americans, Canadians and Europeans of Palestinian descent to charter flights and passenger ships to arrive in Israel the same day. The stated purpose of’Abbas’s plan is to force Israel to accept millions of foreign-born, hostile Arabs into its territory in order to overwhelm Israel demographically and so destroy its Jewish character.Rice’s visit next week, then, will be a direct continuation of her last visit here on March 4. At that time, Rice forced the Olmert-Livni-Barak government to end IDF offensive operations against Hamas in Gaza. As the Israeli media have since reported, Hamas is exploiting the cease-fire to augment its control over all aspects of life in Gaza and to expand its arsenal and military capabilities against Israel.To cite just one example, Hamas has reportedly completed its takeover of 8 out of the 22 medical facilities in Gaza. Through actions such as this, it is rendering the civilian population completely dependent on its Islamist largesse to receive basic services.Rice’s visit comes ten days after Lt. General William Fraser’s trip to Israel and the Palestinian Authority. Fraser was appointed by Rice to act as judge of Israeli and Palestinian compliance with the road map in accordance with the Annapolis declaration. Fraser’s visit was boycotted by Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak, who absented himself from the meeting with Fraser and Fatah Prime Minister Salam Fayyad due to the overtly anti-Israel positions adopted by Fraser and his colleagues during Rice’s visit. Fraser reportedly attacked Barak and the IDF for scuttling his plans to expand Fatah military control over Judea and Samaria by insisting on fighting terrorists in the areas.Fraser, like Rice, attacks Israel while stubbornly ignoring clear evidence of Fatah involvement in terror and Abbas’s open radicalization in the lead-up to the March 29 Arab League summit in Damascus where Fatah and Hamas leaders are expected to announce their efforts to reinstate their unity government. Indeed, even when US officials acknowledge that Fatah is not fighting terror effectively, they assert that the remedy is to give Fatah more arms and control over more territory.Rice’s heavy-handed policy toward Israel amounts to a betrayal of Israel on two levels. First, as Rick Richman wrote last week on the American Thinker website, Rice’s current policy of demanding that Israel dismantle Israeli communities in Judea and Samaria, freeze all building activities for Jews beyond the 1949 armistice lines including in Jerusalem and the major settlement blocs, and refrain from taking any major offensive actions against Palestinian terror groups is a complete betrayal of President Bush’s signed April 14, 2004 pledge to then-prime minister Ariel Sharon.Bush’s’letter, which came after Sharon laid out his plan to destroy all Israeli communities in Gaza and withdraw Israeli forces from the region and to similarly destroy Israel communities in northern Samaria, made clear that the U.S. views a Palestinian commitment to combat terror, end incitement and dismantle terror groups and cells as the first stage of any further peace process between Israel and the Palestinians. Bush also explicitly stated that the U.S. did not think it reasonable to expect that Israel would remove itself to the 1949 armistice lines in any future peace.In advancing the Annapolis summit, Rice openly betrayed Bush’s written pledge to Sharon, which was followed by a Congressional resolution in June 2004 explicitly approving the letter’s contents. Rice has delighted in this betrayal by claiming that the Annapolis platform broke the ‘tight sequentiality’ dictated by the road map. That ‘tight seqentiality’ dictated that before Israel would negotiate a final peace with the Palestinians, the Palestinians would first cease to harbor, support and train terrorists, end their war against Israel and end their anti-Israel incitement activities.It should be noted that in betraying the word of her boss, Rice was amply assisted by the feckless Olmert-Livni-Barak government. In an effort to divert public attention from the government’s incompetent leadership during the Second Lebanon War, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and his colleagues sought to shore up their support base among Israel’s leftist elites by renewing negotiations with Fatah.Naively, Olmert, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and Barak assumed that their willingness to engage Rice’s obsessive interest in advancing negotiations would satisfy her yearning to be viewed as a peacemaker. They may have been under the impression that for Rice the negotiations are as much of a public relations stunt as they are for them. Certainly they must have expected that she would exhibit an understanding of Israel’s security predicament, surrounded as it is by Iranian proxies in Gaza, Lebanon and Syria and a radicalized Palestinian population in Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem.Yet this was not in the cards. Rather than acknowledge reality, Rice has pushed on with her policies to the point where not only Bush’s own commitments to Israel fail to constitute a bar against her actions, human decency and basic logic have been discarded.In her race to establish a Palestinian state, Rice has not only failed to recognize the threat posed to Israeli security — and indeed to global security — by the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip and the terror and jihad-laced Fatah movement. She has also embraced the wholly false and morally outrageous claim that the construction (or existence) of Jewish communities beyond the 1949 armistice lines is as much a threat to peace as Palestinian terror attacks against Israelis and anti-Israel incitement at all levels of Palestinian society, both in Hamas and Fatah dominated areas.In an attempt to preempt Rice’s expected animosity in her upcoming visit, Barak announced he would scale back IDF counter-terror operations in Judea and Samaria by taking down a roadblock and easing the travel of Palestinian businessmen and senior officials. The fact that such moves imperil Israeli security was made clear on March 18. That day, senior Fatah official and former interim PA president Rauhi Fattouh was stopped at the Allenby Bridge crossing point from Jordan as he attempted to exploit his travel privileges to import contraband into the PA. Israeli security forces seized 3,000 cellular telephones hidden in his vehicle.Israeli officials’ continued attempts to appease Rice’are not only counterproductive because of the immediate security breaches caused by such appeasement. By showing that they will bow to Rice’s pressure, which is exerted in contempt of signed U.S. commitments to Israel, the Olmert-Livni-Barak government signals both to the next U.S. administration and to the Palestinians that they have no reason to abide by their word to the Jewish state.Originally published in The Jewish Press.“(Via Caroline Glick.)</